Albanian propaganda

[Δωριεύς]

Of course there is a gap coz the name "Albanians" was first mentioned in the region when Albanians from Caucasus came to Balkans. But they say that the name Albanian comes from an illyrian tribe with a related name. I don't know what's the truth. Bulgarians didn't live in the region of modern Albania in order to assimilate the local Illyrians. Illyrians as a nation were present until the Byzantine times.

[Μακεδόνας]

Illyrians never contributed nothing to the world to say that they were a civilization with great significance. Now if the Albanians are a spin off the Illyrians big deal their is nothing special about them.

[Prokomenos]

Originally Posted by Μακεδόνας
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Illyrians never contributed nothing to the world to say that they were a civilization with great significance. Now if the Albanians are a spin off the Illyrians big deal their is nothing special about them.

Thats a good point but I still dont believe that Albanians are decendants from the Illyrians. They lie about everything steal history and I believe they are doing the same with the Illyrians.

[Δωριεύς]

Illyrians didn't brought any civilization. They were only peasants and fighters. That's why Albanians say all these propaganda think about Macedonia, Epirus etc, to take some glory from Greeks for the sake of Illyrians.

[Megale]

Whether the Illyrians contributed anything, I don't think it matters much to the Albanians. First, "Illyrians" sounds better then the name of Albanians. Plus claming them, would give them a longer history than they currently have. I mean, who really wants to be known as just a bunch of mercenaries for Turks???

[gmellos]

here is MY 2 cents! The Albanians are nothing but a broken insecure people who's comumnist leader feed their heads full of LIES so that now if you shove Historical evidence under their nose that their claims are false, their pride will not allow them to admit that they are NOTHING but barbarians and peasants!

Greece should no longer allow these and anyother uneducated people with high fertility rates into OUR land or else within a century we may lose the last of our land? We have already lost our land in Asia Minor and we aren't careful we may even lost our Homeland to these people! Just watch they would and have advocated violence and geonicide to take back their so-called Illyrian land in the Balkans just look at what is going in Serbia!!!!

If Greece or any other Balkan nation wants to help the Albanians because of what happened to their economy then invest in their nation to create jobs THERE! DO NOT ALLOW them to enter your land! Greece is NOT the size of the US they can NOT support the 3rd world.

Also I've dealt with some of them in coversation about Epirus and ALL of them are SO CLOSED minded! When I have shown evidense to prove my points they pull out maps of 19 cen Balkans! Ofcourse they have more land especially after they betrayed their hero Skanderberg and Orthodoxy to become muslim to gain the favor of the Turks! They were allowed to have land that belonged to other people but due to the fact those people REFUSED to convert to islam. Those where either had their sons and daugthers STOLE or they where sold in slavery or killed.

As I said NOT all Albanians are bad people BUT lets remember that if push comes to shove they side with a stranger who's an Albanian betraying his socalled Best friend who's Greek!

[Greece4Ever]

They want to believe a lot of things that are not true. They dont know any better. They have nothing to be proud of they are like gypsies in all realities if anything even worse.

[DespoThessalo]

Everybody wants to be Greek I cant blame them if you think about it.

[Prokomenos]

Originally Posted by DespoThessalonikia
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Everybody wants to be Greek I cant blame them if you think about it.

Yes you got that right Despo.

[Prokomenos]

Here are some quotes I got off Macedonia on the web
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regarding Albanians being related to Illyrians. Very interesting ones as well.

Author John Wilkes (The Illyrians,page 219 ) argued against Illyrian-Albanian theory:
Quote:
"In the matter of physical character, skeletal evidence from prehistoric cemeteries suggests no more than average height (male 1.65 m, female 1.53). Not much reliance should perhaps be placed on attempts to define an Illyrian anthropological type as short and dark-skinned similar to modern Albanians"

Another quote off their:

Anyway, there's the little issue of Albanian language being totally alien to Illyrian (based on the Messapic inscriptions found)

Here's what some linguists have concluded:

*. The Illyrian toponyms known from antiquity, e.g. Shkφder from the ancient Scodra (Livius), Tomor from Tomarus (Strabo, Pliny, etc.), have not been directly inherited in Albanian: the contemporary forms of these names do not correspond to the phonetic laws of Albanian. The same also applies to the ancient toponyms of Latin origin in this region.

*. The most ancient loanwords from Latin in Albanian have the phonetic form of eastern Balkan Latin, i.e. of proto-Romanian, and not of western Balkan Latin, i.e. of old Dalmatian Latin. Albanian, therefore, did not take its borrowings from Vulgar Latin as spoken in Illyria.
(this is from another theory that proves your origin to be somewhere in Carpathia)

*. The Adriatic coast was not part of the primitive home of the Albanians, because the maritime terminology of Albanian is not their own, but is borrowed from different languages.

*. Another indication against local Albanian origin is the insignificant number of ancient Greek loanwords in Albanian. If the primitive home of the Albanians had been Albania itself, then the Albanian language would have to have many more ancient Greek loanwords.

*.The old home of the Albanians must have been near to that of the proto-Romanians. The oldest Latin elements in Albanian come from proto-Romanians, i.e. eastern Balkan Latin, and not from Dalmatian, western Balkan Latin that was spoken in Illyria. Cf. the phonetic development of the following words:
Vulgar Latin caballum 'horse' Rum. cal, Alb. kal
Vulgar Latin cubitum 'elbow' Rum. cot. Alb. kut
Vulgar Latin lucta 'struggle, fight' Rum. lupt, Arum. luft, Alb. luftλ

Sources :
H. Kronasser, ‘Zum Stand der Illyristik’ (Linguistique Balkanique, IV, 1962, pp. 5 ff.); R. Katicic', 'Namengebiete im rφmischen Dalmatian" (Die Sprache, X, Vienna, 1964, pp. 23 ff.); id., Illyrii proprie dicti (iva Antika, Skopje, XIII/XIV, 1964, pp. 87 ff.); id., 'Suvremena istraivanja o jeziku starosjedilaca ilirskih provincija' (Nauno društvo SR Bosne i Hercegovine, IV, Sarajevo, 1964, pp. 9 ff.); G. Alfφldy, 'Die Namengebung der Urbevφlkerung der rφmischen Provinz Dalmatia’ (Beitrδge zur Namenforschung, 15, Heidelberg, 1964, pp. 54 ff).

The Chechen language is similar to Albanian. They both have similar grammar and similar sounds such as SQ, PSHQ, which are not common in any IE languages, but are very common in Caucasus languages like Chechenian.
The Albanians call themselves "Shqip-tari". This name is not Indo-European in origin and contains in it the Ural-Altaic suffix "ar" or "tar". Much like: "Khaz-AR", "Av-AR", "Magy-AR", "Bulg-AR", "Hung-AR", "Ta-TAR" - "Ship-TAR". see:
CHECHENIA=ICHQERIA
ALBANIA=SHQIPTERIA

Some other notes...

Just a few, of the many identical place-names between Albania and Caucasus:

Albo-Bushati - Caucasus-Bushati (also the name of an Albanian tribe)
Albo-Baboti - Caucasus-Baboti
Albo-Baka -Caucasus-Bako
Albo-Ballagati - Caucasus-Balagati
Albo-Ballaj,Balli - Caucasus- Bali
Albo-Bashkimi - Caucasus-Bashkoi
Albo-Bathore- Caucasus- Batharia
Albo-Bater- Caucasus- Bataris
Albo-Geg - Caucasus-Gegi, Gegeni, Geguti (Term used by Albanians in their language to denote their brethre north of the Shkumbi R.)
Albo-Demir Kapia - Caucasus-Demir Kapia (Turkish term: "iron gates"; term by which Turks refered to the Caspian Sea or arch: Albanian Sea)
Albo-Kish, Kisha... - Caucasus-Kish (Eight different toponyms in Albania begin with "kish")
Albo-Kurata,Kuratem,Kurateni(villages)-Caucasus-Kura (river) (Nine different toponyms in Albania begin with "Kura")
Albo-Luginasi - Caucasus-Lugini
Albo-Rusani - Caucasus-Rusian
Albo-Sheshani, Shoshani, Shashani - Caucasus-Shashani
Albo-Sheshaj, Sheshi - Caucasus-Sheshleti
Albo-Skalla - Caucasus-Skaleri
Albo-Shiptari Shipyaki, Shkhepa, - Caucasus-Shkepi
Albo-Shkoder - Caucasus-Shkeder, Shked, Shkoda
Albo-Shekulli - Caucasus-Shekoul