Anti Greek Propaganda

[Hellenika]

Everyone wishes they were Greeks! But this is suprising cause I thought blacks were the Egyptians, you know the pharoahs and all that, kings and queens.
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[Prokomenos]

Originally Posted by Hellenika
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Everyone wishes they were Greeks! But this is suprising cause I thought blacks were the Egyptians, you know the pharoahs and all that, kings and queens.
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Your absolutely correct its seems like their are people in every race and nationality that want to be Greek.

Blacks are also the original Japanese.
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[Megale]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Your absolutely correct its seems like their are people in every race and nationality that want to be Greek.

Blacks are also the original Japanese.
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Well I"m saying the blacks are now the original Skopians!
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[Napalm]

Originally Posted by Megale
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Well I"m saying the blacks are now the original Skopians!
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No need to insult the Blacks. After all most Blacks are actually proud of being their race (Black). WHile most skops are not proud of their Bulgarian ancestry.

During the Yugoslav war while Serbs were fiercely fighting albanian invaders, the skops were running in the opposite direction lining up at the Bulgarian border with all their parents and grandparents paperwork showing they were true Bulgarians thus enabling them to obtain Bulgarian citizenship.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Posting something from an Afrocentrist is not going to get you anywhere. This article is hilarius and Im going to leave it here for a good laugh. These Afrocentrists are just as bad as Nordists like Arthur Kemp. A Tony Brown article lmao!

Here is something for you to take to heart. Your Bulgarian which also means you have Turkish ancestry in you. That is a proven fact.

Indeed Mr.Proko is a hilarius one. I have to thank MacedonianKing for the laughter moments he gave me.
Also, I dont need a suntan , I have it already!!!hahahaha

[Megale]

Originally Posted by Napalm
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No need to insult the Blacks. After all most Blacks are actually proud of being their race (Black). WHile most skops are not proud of their Bulgarian ancestry.

During the Yugoslav war while Serbs were fiercely fighting albanian invaders, the skops were running in the opposite direction lining up at the Bulgarian border with all their parents and grandparents paperwork showing they were true Bulgarians thus enabling them to obtain Bulgarian citizenship.

The most recent generation of Skops don't even now they would have Bulgareian ancestry in the first place.

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by Megale
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The most recent generation of Skops don't even now they would have Bulgareian ancestry in the first place.

I agree they are a product of their educational system that fills their heads full of crap!

[Napalm]

Originally Posted by Megale
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The most recent generation of Skops don't even now they would have Bulgareian ancestry in the first place.

That's true, especially to those who were too young or not born before the 90s when they actually thought of themselves as slavs. Their brainwashing always reminds me of North Korea. They teach all thier kids that the Kim Jong Ill family is descended from the Gods and after 3 generations that is the only way they think about them.

[MacedonianKing]

SUB-SAHARAN GENES IN GREECE

The first major study of gene frequencies in Greece, Macedonia and Crete was completed in December 2000, titled "HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks",and published by the journal "Tissue Antigens" that year.


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Tissue Antigens February 2001, vol. 57, no. 2, pp. 118-127

HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

A. Arnaiz-Villena; K. Dimitroski; A. Pacho; J. Moscoso; E. Go´mez-Casado; C. Silvera-Redondo; P. Varela; M. Blagoevska; V. Zdravkovska; J. Martý´nez-Laso

Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.



HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighboring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbor joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.



Fig. 2. Correspondence analysis showing a global view of the relationship between Mediterraneans and sub-Saharan and Black African populations according to the HLA allele frequencies in three dimensions (bi-dimensional representation). HLA-DRBI allele frequencies data.





Fig. 3. Correspondence analysis showing a global view of the relationship among West Mediterraneans (green), East Mediterraneans (orange), Greeks and sub-Saharan populations (red) and Blacks (grey) according to HLA allele frequencies in three dimensions (bidimensional representation). HLA-DR and DQ (low resolution) allele frequencies data.

Table 5 shows the presence of these Greek alleles mainly in sub-Saharan populations from Ethiopia (Amhara, Oromo), Sudan (Nuba) and West Africa (Rimaibe, Fulani, Mossi).

It may be deduced from these data that sub-Saharans and Greeks share quasi-specific HLA-DRB1 alleles. The neighbor-joining tree (Fig. 1) and the correspondence analyses (Figs 2 and 3) confirm this Greek/sub-Saharan relatedness. The HLA-DRB1 genetic distances between Greeks and other Mediterraneans are shown in Table 6 and also support a sub-Saharan/Greek relatedness; genetic distances with HLA-DR and -DQ generic typings (not shown) give essentially the same results.

Our results show that Macedonians are related to other Mediterraneans and do not show a close relationship with Greeks; however they do with Cretans (Tables 3, 4, Figs 1–3). This supports the theory that Macedonians are one of the most ancient peoples existing in the Balkan peninsula, probably long before arrival of the Mycaenian Greeks (10) about 2000 B.C. Other possible explanation is that they might have shared a genetic background with the Greeks before an hypothetical admixture between Greeks and sub-Saharans might have occurred.

Much to our surprise, the reason why Greeks did not show a close relatedness with all the other Mediterraneans analyzed (Tables 5, 6 and Figs 1–3) was their genetic relationship with sub-Saharan ethnic groups now residing in Ethiopia, Sudan and West Africa (Burkina-Fasso). Although some Greek DRB1 alleles are not completely specific of the Greek/sub-Saharan sharing, the list of alleles (Table 5) is self-explanatory. The conclusion is that part of the Greek genetic pool may be sub-Saharan and that the admixture has occurred at an uncertain but ancient time.

Thus, it is hypothesized that there could have been a migration from southern Sahara which mixed with ancient Greeks to give rise to a part of the present day Greek genetic background. The admixture must have occurred in the Aegean Islands and Athens area at least.

Also, the time when admixture occurred could be after the overthrown of some of the Negroid Egyptian dynasties (Nubian or from other periods) or after undetermined natural catastrophes (i.e.: dryness).


MONGOLOID MARKER IN GREECE

A recent study of mtDNA in Greece revealed the presence of theHpaI morph 1 sequence, which is a Mongoloid marker, introduced either through slavery or the mixed race Ottoman occupation.


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1: Hum Biol. 1994 Aug;66(4):601-11.
Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in northern Greece.
Astrinidis A, Kouvatsi A.

Department of Genetics, Development, and Molecular Biology, School of Biology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece.

The polymorphism of human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) was studied in 118 unrelated Greeks (from northern Greece) using total blood cell DNA and the restriction enzymes HpaI, BamHI, HaeII, MspI, AvaII, and HincII. One new morph was identified for MspI (named MspI morph 18Gr) and is the result of a mutation in a previously thought monomorphic site at 104 bp. HpaI morph 1 was detected for the first time in a European sample. Also, AvaII morph 13 was observed in Greece in a frequency higher (5.93%) than that found in any other population. Eighteen mtDNA types were identified, three of which are new [86-2 (1-3-1-4-9-2), 87-2 (2-3-1-1-13-2), and 88-2 (2-1-1-18Gr-1-2)] and can be derived from already known mtDNA types by single restriction site changes. Type 57-2 (2-3-1-4-13-2), which had been previously characterized as "Italian," was found with higher frequency (4.24%) in northern Greece. The calculation of genetic distances and chi-square values through Monte Carlo simulation shows that the Greek sample does not differ from the Italian sample.
PMID: 7916320 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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AFRICAN BLOOD GROUPS IN GREECE

"As usual in the Mediterranean area CDe is high, and cDe, presumably from African admixture, reaches about 6 per cent." (p73)

Cyprus: ". . . the presence of over 5 per cent cDe suggests African immigration." (p73)
Source: Mourant AE, Kopéc AC, Domaniewska-Sobczak K. The distribution of the human blood groups and other polymorphisms. London, Oxford University Press, 1976.



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28% MIDDLE EASTERN HAPLOGROUP HG9 IN GREECE

According to a study conducted by Lluís Quintana-Murci et. al.. and published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, (Volume 68, 2001, pages 537-542), the Middle Easter Haplogproup HG9 runs at 28% in Greece.


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Am. J. Hum. Genet., 68:537-542, 2001



Y-Chromosome Lineages Trace Diffusion of People and Languages in Southwestern Asia
Lluís Quintana-Murci,1 Csilla Krausz,1 Tatiana Zerjal,2 S. Hamid Sayar,3 Michael F. Hammer,4 S. Qasim Mehdi,5 Qasim Ayub,5 Raheel Qamar,5 Aisha Mohyuddin,5 Uppala Radhakrishna,6 Mark A. Jobling,7 Chris Tyler-Smith,2 and Ken McElreavey1
. . .

HG 9, defined by the 12f2 deletion, is largely confined to caucasoid populations, with its highest frequencies being found in Middle Eastern populations.

In Iranian populations, HG 9 shows very high frequencies (30%60%). Populations from the southeastern Caspian region and the Zagros Mountains exhibit the highest frequencies so far observed (60%). High frequencies of HG 9 have been found throughout the Fertile Crescent region (Hammer et al. 2000): Palestinians, 51%; Lebanese, 46%; and Syrians, 57%. The incidences of HG 9 in Pakistan (18%) and northern India (19%) indicate a decreasing-frequency cline from Iran toward India.

Table 1
Frequency Distribution of HG 9 and HG 3 in Human Populations from Different Regions

REGIONa N FREQUENCYb
(%) SOURCE
HG 9 HG 3
Iran:c




Azarbaijan 83 34 17 Present study
Zagros Mountains 34 59 6 Present study
Western Caspian 32 53 3 Present study
Eastern Caspian 25 56 20 Present study
Tehran region 50 30 14 Present study
Central-north 79 39 9 Present study
Central-south 72 38 17 Present study
Eastern provinces 26 35 31 Present study
Pakistan 708 18 32 Present study
India:




Gujurat 58 19 26 Present study
Jaunpur 152 NT 20 Zerjal et al. (1999)
Indians mixed 72 NT 15 Hammer et al. (1998)
Uttar Pradesh 62 7 NT Semino et al. (1996)
Sri Lanka 83 NT 15 Hammer et al. (1998)
Middle East:




Lebanon 24 46 4 Hammer et al. (2000)
Syria 91 57 9 Hammer et al. (2000)
Palestine 73 51 0 Hammer et al. (2000)
Europe:




Turkey 167 33 5 Rosser et al. (2000)
Russia 122 4 47 Rosser et al. (2000)
Ukraine 27 0 30 Rosser et al. (2000)
Latvia 34 0 41 Rosser et al. (2000)
Poland 112 4 54 Rosser et al. (2000)
Greece 36 28 8 Rosser et al. (2000)
Italy 99 20 2 Rosser et al. (2000)
Spain 126 3 2 Rosser et al. (2000)
Africa:




Algeria 27 41 0 Rosser et al. (2000)
Sub-Saharan Africa 199 1 0 Hammer et al. (2000)



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Appendix 2 Content List: Studies of the extent and effect of racial mixing in selected European population groups.

[gmellos]

Originally Posted by MacedonianKing
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SUB-SAHARAN GENES IN GREECE

The first major study of gene frequencies in Greece, Macedonia and Crete was completed in December 2000, titled "HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks",and published by the journal "Tissue Antigens" that year.


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Tissue Antigens February 2001, vol. 57, no. 2, pp. 118-127

HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks

A. Arnaiz-Villena; K. Dimitroski; A. Pacho; J. Moscoso; E. Go´mez-Casado; C. Silvera-Redondo; P. Varela; M. Blagoevska; V. Zdravkovska; J. Martý´nez-Laso

Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.



HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighboring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbor joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.



Fig. 2. Correspondence analysis showing a global view of the relationship between Mediterraneans and sub-Saharan and Black African populations according to the HLA allele frequencies in three dimensions (bi-dimensional representation). HLA-DRBI allele frequencies data.





Fig. 3. Correspondence analysis showing a global view of the relationship among West Mediterraneans (green), East Mediterraneans (orange), Greeks and sub-Saharan populations (red) and Blacks (grey) according to HLA allele frequencies in three dimensions (bidimensional representation). HLA-DR and DQ (low resolution) allele frequencies data.

Table 5 shows the presence of these Greek alleles mainly in sub-Saharan populations from Ethiopia (Amhara, Oromo), Sudan (Nuba) and West Africa (Rimaibe, Fulani, Mossi).

It may be deduced from these data that sub-Saharans and Greeks share quasi-specific HLA-DRB1 alleles. The neighbor-joining tree (Fig. 1) and the correspondence analyses (Figs 2 and 3) confirm this Greek/sub-Saharan relatedness. The HLA-DRB1 genetic distances between Greeks and other Mediterraneans are shown in Table 6 and also support a sub-Saharan/Greek relatedness; genetic distances with HLA-DR and -DQ generic typings (not shown) give essentially the same results.

Our results show that Macedonians are related to other Mediterraneans and do not show a close relationship with Greeks; however they do with Cretans (Tables 3, 4, Figs 1–3). This supports the theory that Macedonians are one of the most ancient peoples existing in the Balkan peninsula, probably long before arrival of the Mycaenian Greeks (10) about 2000 B.C. Other possible explanation is that they might have shared a genetic background with the Greeks before an hypothetical admixture between Greeks and sub-Saharans might have occurred.

Much to our surprise, the reason why Greeks did not show a close relatedness with all the other Mediterraneans analyzed (Tables 5, 6 and Figs 1–3) was their genetic relationship with sub-Saharan ethnic groups now residing in Ethiopia, Sudan and West Africa (Burkina-Fasso). Although some Greek DRB1 alleles are not completely specific of the Greek/sub-Saharan sharing, the list of alleles (Table 5) is self-explanatory. The conclusion is that part of the Greek genetic pool may be sub-Saharan and that the admixture has occurred at an uncertain but ancient time.

Thus, it is hypothesized that there could have been a migration from southern Sahara which mixed with ancient Greeks to give rise to a part of the present day Greek genetic background. The admixture must have occurred in the Aegean Islands and Athens area at least.

Also, the time when admixture occurred could be after the overthrown of some of the Negroid Egyptian dynasties (Nubian or from other periods) or after undetermined natural catastrophes (i.e.: dryness).


MONGOLOID MARKER IN GREECE

A recent study of mtDNA in Greece revealed the presence of theHpaI morph 1 sequence, which is a Mongoloid marker, introduced either through slavery or the mixed race Ottoman occupation.


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1: Hum Biol. 1994 Aug;66(4):601-11.
Mitochondrial DNA polymorphism in northern Greece.
Astrinidis A, Kouvatsi A.

Department of Genetics, Development, and Molecular Biology, School of Biology, Aristotle University of Thessaloniki, Greece.

The polymorphism of human mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) was studied in 118 unrelated Greeks (from northern Greece) using total blood cell DNA and the restriction enzymes HpaI, BamHI, HaeII, MspI, AvaII, and HincII. One new morph was identified for MspI (named MspI morph 18Gr) and is the result of a mutation in a previously thought monomorphic site at 104 bp. HpaI morph 1 was detected for the first time in a European sample. Also, AvaII morph 13 was observed in Greece in a frequency higher (5.93%) than that found in any other population. Eighteen mtDNA types were identified, three of which are new [86-2 (1-3-1-4-9-2), 87-2 (2-3-1-1-13-2), and 88-2 (2-1-1-18Gr-1-2)] and can be derived from already known mtDNA types by single restriction site changes. Type 57-2 (2-3-1-4-13-2), which had been previously characterized as "Italian," was found with higher frequency (4.24%) in northern Greece. The calculation of genetic distances and chi-square values through Monte Carlo simulation shows that the Greek sample does not differ from the Italian sample.
PMID: 7916320 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]



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AFRICAN BLOOD GROUPS IN GREECE

"As usual in the Mediterranean area CDe is high, and cDe, presumably from African admixture, reaches about 6 per cent." (p73)

Cyprus: ". . . the presence of over 5 per cent cDe suggests African immigration." (p73)
Source: Mourant AE, Kopéc AC, Domaniewska-Sobczak K. The distribution of the human blood groups and other polymorphisms. London, Oxford University Press, 1976.



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28% MIDDLE EASTERN HAPLOGROUP HG9 IN GREECE

According to a study conducted by Lluís Quintana-Murci et. al.. and published in The American Journal of Human Genetics, (Volume 68, 2001, pages 537-542), the Middle Easter Haplogproup HG9 runs at 28% in Greece.


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Am. J. Hum. Genet., 68:537-542, 2001



Y-Chromosome Lineages Trace Diffusion of People and Languages in Southwestern Asia
Lluís Quintana-Murci,1 Csilla Krausz,1 Tatiana Zerjal,2 S. Hamid Sayar,3 Michael F. Hammer,4 S. Qasim Mehdi,5 Qasim Ayub,5 Raheel Qamar,5 Aisha Mohyuddin,5 Uppala Radhakrishna,6 Mark A. Jobling,7 Chris Tyler-Smith,2 and Ken McElreavey1
. . .

HG 9, defined by the 12f2 deletion, is largely confined to caucasoid populations, with its highest frequencies being found in Middle Eastern populations.

In Iranian populations, HG 9 shows very high frequencies (30%60%). Populations from the southeastern Caspian region and the Zagros Mountains exhibit the highest frequencies so far observed (60%). High frequencies of HG 9 have been found throughout the Fertile Crescent region (Hammer et al. 2000): Palestinians, 51%; Lebanese, 46%; and Syrians, 57%. The incidences of HG 9 in Pakistan (18%) and northern India (19%) indicate a decreasing-frequency cline from Iran toward India.

Table 1
Frequency Distribution of HG 9 and HG 3 in Human Populations from Different Regions

REGIONa N FREQUENCYb
(%) SOURCE
HG 9 HG 3
Iran:c




Azarbaijan 83 34 17 Present study
Zagros Mountains 34 59 6 Present study
Western Caspian 32 53 3 Present study
Eastern Caspian 25 56 20 Present study
Tehran region 50 30 14 Present study
Central-north 79 39 9 Present study
Central-south 72 38 17 Present study
Eastern provinces 26 35 31 Present study
Pakistan 708 18 32 Present study
India:




Gujurat 58 19 26 Present study
Jaunpur 152 NT 20 Zerjal et al. (1999)
Indians mixed 72 NT 15 Hammer et al. (1998)
Uttar Pradesh 62 7 NT Semino et al. (1996)
Sri Lanka 83 NT 15 Hammer et al. (1998)
Middle East:




Lebanon 24 46 4 Hammer et al. (2000)
Syria 91 57 9 Hammer et al. (2000)
Palestine 73 51 0 Hammer et al. (2000)
Europe:




Turkey 167 33 5 Rosser et al. (2000)
Russia 122 4 47 Rosser et al. (2000)
Ukraine 27 0 30 Rosser et al. (2000)
Latvia 34 0 41 Rosser et al. (2000)
Poland 112 4 54 Rosser et al. (2000)
Greece 36 28 8 Rosser et al. (2000)
Italy 99 20 2 Rosser et al. (2000)
Spain 126 3 2 Rosser et al. (2000)
Africa:




Algeria 27 41 0 Rosser et al. (2000)
Sub-Saharan Africa 199 1 0 Hammer et al. (2000)



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Appendix 2 Content List: Studies of the extent and effect of racial mixing in selected European population groups.

you know that study ONLY USED ONE MARKER!!! stop your propaganda crap denyer of your Bulgarian blood!