Big Greek Lie FYROM propaganda exposed

[Prokomenos]

The skopidia is a whole big lie. These people will stop at nothing to promote something that does not belong to them. Just look at that link that Ellinas posted! How can anyone take those parasites seriously? What are they going to come up with next?

[Hellenika]

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This one sums them up perfectly! Great nsminc.


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[AlmightyGreek]

Nsminc thats great that you bought all those urls!

[O Tizimis]

I dont bother with those Fyrom shit for brains people. Next they are going to write books on how the Greeks are actually Smurfs and not Greek at all. lol

[Apollyon]

Go to bookstores here in Hellas and ask for the book
" H katagogi twn Ellinwn " den thimamai poios to exei grapsei alla einai
biblio basismeno se anthropologika eurimata ( krania - skeletous etc)
Epistimonika pramata diladi

Oh...teleiose o frapes mou...
A...kai kati allo
I was surfing to a skopian forum and i read that greeks hadnt any god of the sun... ( the answer is that we had , he was Apollon )
and second stupitidy of them , they said that the slavic name Ilia comes out from the <<macedonian>> god of sun Helios or Baelios etc...and that the first name of Troia (Troy) was Ilion.... and it was dedicated to the <<macedonian>> god of sun....
---- And i ask you , how can they be so stupids???
Sun in greek is Hlios ( Helios ) and not Ilios.... me HTA OXI ME IOTA
ante more me tous blakes
No mercy for stupitidy

[DeVilMaYcRy]

Opos leei ena tragoudaki file apolion emeis eixame grammatiki kai autoi den kseran na milane akoma oi ougkampougka

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by Apollyon
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Go to bookstores here in Hellas and ask for the book
" H katagogi twn Ellinwn " den thimamai poios to exei grapsei alla einai
biblio basismeno se anthropologika eurimata ( krania - skeletous etc)
Epistimonika pramata diladi

Για το βιβλίο του Πουλιανού λες;

[Caesar]

This is not that big lie as Albanians said for Athens. You wont believe it but there are albanian men talking to camera and saying "this are our proves that Athens is Albanian. it becomes from Illirian word Athan which means white city..." I laughed so hard and start fighting with that albanian animal...

They claim Greeks become from albanians and they take over their land with Serbia... hahahhahah pathetic. I will give you videos if you want.

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by Caesar
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This is not that big lie as Albanians said for Athens. You wont believe it but there are albanian men talking to camera and saying "this are our proves that Athens is Albanian. it becomes from Illirian word Athan which means white city..." I laughed so hard and start fighting with that albanian animal...

They claim Greeks become from albanians and they take over their land with Serbia... hahahhahah pathetic. I will give you videos if you want.

Athens is named after the Greek Goddess Athena. She was the protector of the city. Anyone who dreams otherwise can go fk themselves.

[Prokomenos]

FYROM and their Propaganda against Greece

F.Y.R.O.M ( Former Yugoslav Republic Of Macedonia) or also known as Socialist Republic of Macedonia and as Skopjia was created during WW2 by a communist dictator by the name of Tito. The name was given to them in the Southern Yugoslavia providence in order to claim Greek and Bulgarian territory. Before WW2 FYROM was called Vardaska. Another point of interest is the part of Macedonia that they occupy is not the part of Macedonia that the Greeks have and still live on from the past thousands of years. All major archeological discoveries have been made in the Greek Macedonia territory proving over and over again that ancient Macedonians were Greek. To top it all Slavs entered the region by the 6th century A.D. long after ancient Macedonia was homogenized with the rest of Greece! That alone proves they have no relation whatsoever! They only occupy 25% of the region as well. They do not have the right to make such claims on her. In fact here are some quotes that some important FYROM individuals said throughout the years.

"We are Slavs who came to this area in the sixth century ... we are not descendants of the ancient Macedonians."
(from the Foreign Information Service Daily Report, Eastern Europe, February 26, 1992, p. 35. )
"We are Macedonians but we are Slav Macedonians. That's who we are! We have no connection to Alexander the Greek and his Macedonia. The ancient Macedonians no longer exist, they had disappeared from history long time ago. Our ancestors came here in the 5th and 6th century (A.D)."
(from the Toronto Star newspaper, March 15, 1992)

24 February 1999: In an interview with the Ottawa Citizen, Gyordan Veselinov, FYROM'S Ambassador to Canada, admitted, "We are not related to the northern Greeks who produced leaders like Philip and Alexander the Great. We are a Slav people and our language is closely related to Bulgarian." He also commented "there is some confusion about the identity of the people of this country."
The official web site of the president of FYROM states clearly that these people came to Macedonia at the end 10th century:
"The beginnings of the statehood of the Macedonian Slaves go back to the end of the 10th century and beginning of the 11t, with the creation of Samoil's state."
Link:
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The following:A State Department Letter to Consular Officers of U.S.A

U.S STATE DEPARTMENT
Foreign Relations Vol. VIII
Washington D.C.
Circular Airgram
(868.014/26 Dec. 1944)
The Secretary of State to Certain Diplomatic and Consular Officers*
The following is for your information and general guidance, but not for any positive action at this time.
The Department has noted with considerable apprehension increasing propaganda rumors and semi-official statements in favor of an autonomous Macedonia, emanating principally from Bulgaria, but also from Yugoslav Partisan and other sources, with the implication that Greek territory would be included in the projected state. "This Government considers talk of Macedonian "nation", Macedonian "Fatherland", or Macedonia "national consciousness" to be unjustified demagoguery representing no ethnic nor political reality, and sees in its present revival a possible cloak for aggressive intentions against Greece".
The approved policy of this Government is to oppose any revival of the Macedonian issue as related to Greece. The Greek section of Macedonia is largely inhabited by Greeks, and the Greek people are almost unanimously opposed to the creation of a Macedonian state. Allegations of serious Greek participation in any such agitation can be assumed to be false. This Government would regard as responsible any Government or group of Governments tolerating or encouraging menacing or aggressive acts of "Macedonian Forces" against Greece.
The Department would appreciate any information pertinent to this subject which may come to your attention.

Secretary of State
STETTINIUS
FYROM's population consists of 60% Slavs who are mostly of Bulgarian or Serbian origin, 30% Albanians, and small groups consisting of Greeks, Turks and some others. Some of these individuals actually believe they are descendants of the Greek Macedonians which is false because the Bulgarians appeared in Europe around 650 A.D. and they were a Turkic tribe of nomads that is way after the existence of Ancient Greek Macedonians. They go as far as creating websites, forums to personally attack Greece and her people by promoting racist articles from well known racist individuals such as Arthur Kemp and his book March of the Titans example here
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These individuals promote afro centrists theories as well. They have even gone as far as paying scientist such as Arnaiz Villena and of course by adding FYROM scientists to conduct a so called Greek Genetic test. The results were considered absurd by well respected scientists throughout the world and their tests were dropped. Also notice a few of the scientists who conducted the so called test are from FYROM! Something smells fishy dont you think?

HLA genes in Macedonians and the sub-Saharan origin of the Greeks.

Arnaiz-Villena A, Dimitroski K, Pacho A, Moscoso J, Gomez-Casado E, Silvera-Redondo C, Varela P, Blagoevska M, Zdravkosvka V, Martinez-Lazo J
Department of Immunology and Molecular Biology, H. 12 de Octubre, Universidad Complutense, Madrid, Spain.
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HLA alleles have been determined in individuals from the Republic of Macedonia by DNA typing and sequencing. HLA-A, -B, -DR, -DQ allele frequencies and extended haplotypes have been for the first time determined and the results compared to those of other Mediterraneans, particularly with their neighbouring Greeks. Genetic distances, neighbor-joining dendrograms and correspondence analysis have been performed. The following conclusions have been reached: 1) Macedonians belong to the "older" Mediterranean substratum, like Iberians (including Basques), North Africans, Italians, French, Cretans, Jews, Lebanese, Turks (Anatolians), Armenians and Iranians, 2) Macedonians are not related with geographically close Greeks, who do not belong to the "older" Mediterranenan substratum, 3) Greeks are found to have a substantial relatedness to sub-Saharan (Ethiopian) people, which separate them from other Mediterranean groups. Both Greeks and Ethiopians share quasi-specific DRB1 alleles, such as *0305, *0307, *0411, *0413, *0416, *0417, *0420, *1110, *1112, *1304 and *1310. Genetic distances are closer between Greeks and Ethiopian/sub-Saharan groups than to any other Mediterranean group and finally Greeks cluster with Ethiopians/sub-Saharans in both neighbour joining dendrograms and correspondence analyses. The time period when these relationships might have occurred was ancient but uncertain and might be related to the displacement of Egyptian-Ethiopian people living in pharaonic Egypt.

The fact of the matter was that the results were proven to be wrong:

CLARIFICATION:

At about the same time this study was published, its main author, Antonio Arnaiz-Villena, had a similar HLA study published in Nature, which was later dropped following criticism by three top men in the field of population genetics (
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). They rejected the conclusions Arnaiz-Villena drew based on the HLA DRB1 allele -- the same marker analyzed in the present study: