Nikos Gruios a greek is the Grandpa of skopje prime minister

[Angelo]

What the hell, take a look at this link guys


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[Prokomenos]

Im not surprised at all. I just wonder how many Skopians are actually of Greek decent and they dont know it.

[half greek]

Interesting article:

A fact that many people ignore (some intentionally, most not) is that from the anthropological point of view the Slav-speaking residents of FYROM, in their overwhelming majority, do not have a Slavic origin. Thus, although being Slav-speaking, are not Slavs (as neither Serbs etc), but autochthonous population descendants. Slavomacedonians were named at times in distinction to the Greek-speaking Macedonians (a word that in ancient Greek means high people, obviously in comparison to the other Hellenes). For example, the overwhelming majority of Indians, South Africans and others, cannot be considered of English origin just because adopted an Anglo-Saxon language. The reasons of spreading the Slav language, besides Russia (which inhabitants are mainly of Scandinavian origin), also in the southern Balkans, as a historical process is still an open scientific question. It is likely that the ottoman yoke had facilitated this, when the Asian invaders oppressed less the Slav-speaking populations than the Greek-speaking ones in SE Europe. That is to say in ethnogenesis questions and of the implying national identity, when the indisputable anthropologic data are not taken into account (beyond linguistic or religious - hierographic matters), mistaken impressions and attitude often take place. In conclusion, instead of examining, as Rigas Fereos did, what unites us as humans (with all ploys that history reserved to us), often the way of an ostrich fanatism is followed, eventually serving the “games” of passim warmongers, obviously not in favour of our peoples prosperity and progress. We all have a lot to learn from the unhindered and blinker-free further study of the SE Europe history, in an interstate, and especially inter-Balkan, cooperation. Nevertheless, it would be at least a paradox for our neighbours to insist on self-determination with words from the Greek language (Macedonia, Macedon, Skopje), but not seaking togetherness with the Hellenes - generators of these names.

(Excerpt from doctor Daphne Poulianou book: "Aris N. Poulianos - Reversals - From his life and work" - 2006)

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[Prokomenos]

Thats very interesting but dont know what to make of it. It could be possible that its true.

[half greek]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Thats very interesting but dont know what to make of it. It could be possible that its true.

Didn't the Bulgarians take a large part of Greece (Thrace) when they helped the Turks in the secound Balkan War? Also before the first Bulgars (Tukics) arrived Bulgaria wouldn't that area been inhabited by Greeks. Their was a map somewhere I saw showing DNA Similarities in SE Europe, which showed Greece and Italy grouped with Serbia.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by half greek
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Didn't the Bulgarians take a large part of Greece (Thrace) when they helped the Turks in the secound Balkan War? Also before the first Bulgars (Tukics) arrived Bulgaria wouldn't that area been inhabited by Greeks. Their was a map somewhere I saw showing DNA Similarities in SE Europe, which showed Greece and Italy grouped with Serbia.

Allow me to say that the Bulgarians werent allies with Turks at the 2nd balcanic war.

1st Balcanic War : Hellas+Serbia+Bulgaria vs Ottomanic Empire
2nd Balcanic War : Hellas+Serbia , Ottomanic Empire vs Bulgaria

[half greek]

Originally Posted by Apollyon
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Allow me to say that the Bulgarians werent allies with Turks at the 2nd balcanic war.

1st Balcanic War : Hellas+Serbia+Bulgaria vs Ottomanic Empire
2nd Balcanic War : Hellas+Serbia , Ottomanic Empire vs Bulgaria

I Stand corrected.
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A more accurate account:-

The Second Balkan War began when Serbia, Greece, and Romania quarreled with Bulgaria over the division of their joint conquests in Macedonia. On June 1, 1913, Serbia and Greece formed an alliance against Bulgaria, and the war began on the night of June 29/30, 1913, when King Ferdinand of Bulgaria ordered his troops to attack Serbian and Greek forces in Macedonia. Greek army after winning the battles of Kilkis-Lahanas (June 19-21), Tzoumagia (July 15-18), liberated Kavala, Alexandroupolis, Xanthi and Komotini. So Greece and Serbia divided up most of Macedonia between themselves, leaving Bulgaria with only a small part of the region. Second Balkan War ended with the Treaty of Bucharest on August 1913.


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[half greek]

A conference held in Thessaloniki on April 15, 1992 on "Human Rights and Greek Orthodox
Minorities in Southern Yugoslavia and Southern Bulgaria" concluded that 18 % of the
population of "Scopia" (the Greek name for the Republic of Macedonia) are Greek people.
The conference called for a census under the supervision of CSCE and the Council of Europe.

Page 9.


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[Angelo]

Excellent find Half Greek
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Are northern neighbours always talk about none exsisting minorities in Greece. if you cross the border into their countries their Greeks in {occupied }Northern Epirus,Northern Macedonia,Northern Thrace

[half greek]

James Baker "Die Turken in Europa", Stuttgart 1878,pp19-20, quoted by Djoko Slijepcevic in "The Macedonian Question: The struggle for Southern Serbia", Chicago, The American Institute for Balkan Affairs, 1958, pp87. According to Baker

I asked some Bulgarian peasants in Macedonia about their na- tionality, and they immediately replied 'Rum' which, indeed, is the name peculiar to the Greek population of Asia Minor. They in- sisted that they were Greeks. 'If this is so', I told them, 'why do you speak Bulgarian at home?' 'Because our forefathers did so', they replied. although we are Greeks'.

Elizabeth Barker ("Macedonia: Its place in Balkan Power Politics", London, The Royal Institute of International Affairs, 1950,pp19-20) cited in [9]

The Bulgarian occupation authorities in Greek eastern Macedonia has behaved towards the Greek population with brutality singularly inappropriate in supposed liberators. An Inter-Allied Commission in 1919 reported that 94 villages had been entirely demolished, that 30,000 people had died of hunger, blows, and disease during the occupation, that 42,000 had been deported to Bulgaria, and that 16,000 had fled to Greece".


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