PM to FYROM: "No solution, no invitation"

[Ellinas]

Prime minister Costas Karamanlis renewed his warning to the Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia (FYROM) on Monday, stressing that failure to resolve the name dispute would bar its membership of NATO, in statements after meeting his Slovakian counterpart Robert Fico in Athens.

During talks, Karamanlis and Fico reaffirmed the good climate in relations between their two countries. In joint statements afterward, Karamanlis referred to Greece's relations with Slovakia in the EU and NATO, adding that the prospects for further development of bilateral economic relations had been discussed during the meeting.

The Greek premier also said that there were margins for further advancing economic relations, and for greater cooperation in the areas of culture, tourism, research and technology, and energy.

Greece, Karamanlis continued, placed great importance on ratification of the Lisbon Treaty, adding that he and Fico also discussed developments in the Balkans, while emphasis was placed on stability in the wider region and on its European prospect.

Fico, who was earlier received by President of the Republic Karolos Papoulias, called for closer cooperation with Greece and an increase in the number of Greek investors in Slovakia, while he also invited Karamanlis to pay an official visit to Slovakia, accompanied by a delegation of Greek entrepreneurs.

The Slovakian prime minister said that the discussions with Karamanlis focused on mainly two sectors: state assistance, on the part of Slovakia, for investments in the tourism sector, and cooperation in the defence industry sector.

Fico announced that a memorandum on cooperation in the defence industry sector would be signed between the two countries in the immediate future.

Turning to Kosovo, Fico said his country's positions were similar to those of Greece.

He said that the creation of an independent Kosovo was a violation of international law, and added that it would be very difficult for his country to recognise Kosovo.

The Slovakian prime minister further pledged that his country will ratify the Lisbon Treaty.

Earlier, Fico was received by President Papoulias who said, on greeting the Slovakian prime minister, that the two countries shared common interests and common problems, particularly that of Kosovo, "which we believe requires particular caution so that there will not be reactions".

Karamanlis also sent a new message to FYROM, replying to press questions after his meeting with the Slovakian prime minister.

The Greek prime minister reiterated that no solution to the FYROM name problem meant no invitation to join NATO.

"We are seeking a mutually acceptable solution, as mandated by the UN Security Council, as well as the European way of resolving differences," Karamanlis said.

"We have taken steps forward, and await FYROM to also take steps forward," the Greek premier stressed.

"We have direct interest in the Balkans, and support the Euro-Atlantic course of the Balkan countries. But stability depends on the relations of good neighborhood, and this is also set out as a criterion of assessment by NATO as well," he said, adding that "Greece cannot consider that these criteria have been met so long as FYROM persists in its stance".

"Our position is clear: no solution means no invitation to NATO," Karamanlis stressed.

On Kosovo developments, Karamanlis stressed that a KFOR presence must be ensured, and that the primary goal was peace and stability.

He reiterated that Greece was interested in the European prospects of the countries of the region, and particularly Serbia, "a prospect that we are working for", while, to a question on a prospective recognition of Kosovo by Greece, Karamalnis said that "Greece feels no pressue" and will take its decisions based on the national interests.

Fico, in turn, said he knew of no other region in which one ethnicity had two states. "It is a violation of International Law that can lead other countries with minorities to imbalance as well".

ANA

[Napalm]

Nato was created to oppose the communists. Since FYROM claim's to our land steem from communist propaghanda that should be reason enough not to let them in.

[Ellinas]

The so-called "communist threat" was extinguished with the fall of the Soviet Union. But NATO still exists. The "communist threat" was more an excuse than a reason for the creation of NATO.

Anyway, this is another big conversation. Indepedently of why NATO was created, the issue is that this subjection of Greece against USA and NATO has to stop. Our government has to behave like NATO is an alliance we equally participate in, not our dynast. In this case Greece has to clear up that Skopia can't enter NATO and EU if they don't comply and the only way for the other "allies" to do this, is to expell Greece.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by Ellinas
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In this case Greece has to clear up that Skopia can't enter NATO and EU if they don't comply and the only way for the other "allies" to do this, is to expell Greece.

Expell us...why not? After all NATO is a fake ally of ours.

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by Apollyon
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Expell us...why not? After all NATO is a fake ally of ours.

My personal opinion is that NATO has not any essential benefit for Greece. The EU membership helped Greece in some sectors, but not the NATO one. But I don't think they would like to expell us from NATO.

[yiozik]

Originally Posted by Ellinas
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My personal opinion is that NATO has not any essential benefit for Greece. The EU membership helped Greece in some sectors, but not the NATO one. But I don't think they would like to expell us from NATO.

I think you are right on that!

[greek]

Greece needs to be in NATO because Turkey is in it.

I think the slav fyromians are trying to hold onto the only thing that will give them a reason to feel happy in life. It is like their dream.

If you think about the average slav in fyrom...they are prob low skilled, poorly educated... either unemployed or working in a low paying job...and then your living next to albanians..or gypsies while the state next door (kossovo) is causing all sorts of problems....

If they lose their dream (to be known as Macedonians) it will be like losing the only thing that they think is worth living for.

In saying all that...If they want to create a better future for the next generation then they must get serious with the negotiations.

Many of the slavs in skopje were holding up signs that said 'our name is not for sale' I don't think that the majority of slavs would not want to get on with life and make a compromise.

The popular opinion is being hijacked by fanatics in Fyrom. A referendum on a proposal in fyrom would probably yield a positive result for Greece.

In the meantime I hope olympiacos can beat chelsea tomorrow.

[ursus]

Greece might, and would have had reasons to belong to Nato soon after the civil war. Nato was an extra european organ . An inplant into the weakened European body politic, ostensibly to oppose the communists. Communism is no longer a threat. After all we have a lovely, cherubic and orotund communist elected leader in cyprus. Therefore Greece does not have to have any business with the Nato dragon, any more than the Nato dragon has any business in europe ---that is if the original intention was to defend Europe against communism and not take it over and occupy it, something which has been going on since 1945. The fact that Turkey is in Nato, it matters little to Greece. American interests are vested in Turkey, regardless of whether it be in Nato or not. Greece was a member of Nato when the beastly turks invaded cyprus, and no one batted an eyelid for Greek interests..
The American-Nato hegemon is busy creating " nations", " banana enclaves" of muslim orientation ---which constitute a mortal threat to Greece in the balkans and in the process encircling Greece -- a member of Nato ? . We find ourselves besieged in the west by the Kosovo muslim- Nato military bases, and muslim albanians, and in the east by none other than the muslim genocidal Turks. Fine mess we are in, and this mess is thanks to our being a member of Nato ? Nato will not save Hellas, if and when geopolitical reasons compel the American-Nato hegemon to dispense with Hellas at the expense of the muslims, they'll do it. We are subject and dependent to the whims and caprices of the occupying forces of Nato-USA. We should start looking to cement other alliances, we should northwest to Russia, because nothing good can be expected from the American-Nato- EU troika.

We are parleying and engaged in charlatanism across oak panelled desks on the FYROM issue. Our last card to be played is the vetoe. Has the veto ever been tested ? Why do we a veto if we never use it ? When are we likely to use the vetoe ?, and if we use it, will it carry any weight ? We sahll never find an answer ,unless and until we use it , when the circumstances warrant it. This business of the vetoe is uncannily identical to the " veto" of the republics which made the former soviet union, no republic ever used it, they could not use it; they were trapped like rats in a mouse trap. The same old mouse trap has been dusted off the shelf and put into operation, under new management.

[Napalm]

Being in NATO is only good for opposing Turkey at this point. All issues NATO supports are anti-Greek like their support of the murderous albanians. I would like it if NATO were dissolved but the oraganization is unfortunately for the NWO globalists reaking havoc in the world so they [NWO] won't give up this military arm they have.

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by greek
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Greece needs to be in NATO because Turkey is in it.

Why? Maybe NATO discourages the Turkish military parastate from having an aggresive stance against Greece? The facts don't indicate this (Greek-Turkish crises of the past years, daily FIR violations etc....) Maybe the opposite happens. If Greece had a responsible government and would not participate in NATO as a "bondservant" of it, the stance of the Turkish regime against Greece would probably be more responsible too.

NATO is a factitious alliance. All the members have to behave as allies of the USA, but the USA doesn't behave as an ally of them. And the other members don't behave as allies to each other....