Turks Target Another Christian

half greek · 01-11-2008, 09:47 PM

He was about to kill a Protestant pastor in Samsun: he was detained, and then released

by Mavi Zambak

He's just the latest of a number of young people involved in actions against representatives of the Christian minority. He denies being part of any terrorist organisation, but his is one of a series of actions - sometimes public - against the Christian minority.

Ankara (AsiaNews) - The online Turkish agency Gazeteport broke the news: "at the last minute, a new assassination attempt against a Protestant pastor in Turkey has been foiled". The setting of the possible act: the "Agape" Protestant church in Samsun (a Turkish city on the Black Sea), which has been a target of various acts of violence in the past.

The attempt against the pastor - Orhan Pıçakçılar, a Turkish national - was prepared by the "umpteenth" young man, who was arrested in time by the police, thanks to telephone surveillance. The 17-year-old, who previously had threatened the pastor with death over the telephone, also used the telephone to brag to his two brothers, telling them to watch the television the following day. "Tomorrow you'll see me on TV, I'm going to kill in Samsun". The minor, who in a photo published by the Gazeteport newspaper appears provocatively in a black shirt, wearing Ray-Ban sunglasses and with his hair carefully arranged with gel, told the police - who captured him near the city of Ordu, on the northern border with Georgia, in possession of a pistol - that he simply wanted to scare the minister, saying that he did not belong to any terrorist organisation. So he was immediately released, on the sole condition that he not leave the country. Is he just the usual "troubled" youngster wanting to make a name for himself?

Episodes like this have by now become the order of the day in Turkey, and news of them seems to receive less and less attention, and to provoke little outrage.

On December 31, 2007, a 22-year-old man, Murat T., received money and a map of the Protestant church of Saint Paul in Antalya, for the purpose of burning it together with its pastor, Ramazan Arkan. In this case, too, the Turkish press praised the intervention of the police in preventing the attack, thanks to telephone surveillance and the man's criminal record. In this case, too, the target was a Protestant pastor of Turkish nationality. In this case, too, the young man was released and simply sent into military service, something he had been trying to evade.

And the young man who tried to stab the Italian Capuchin priest Adriano Franchini on December 16 - what happened to him? It all ended without any serious reflection on this phenomenon of "hooliganism" with tragic consequences and precisely selected targets: Christian ministers.

What can be expected from a Turkish politics that is "schizophrenic" in regard to Christianity?

At the end of December, the Turkish press recounted the burning of more than ten churches in India on the part of Hindus, justifying it this way: "the Christians are guilty of missionary activities". In other words, everything gave the impression of being a subliminal message for the burning of churches in Turkey as well, where the very presence of churches is seen as missionary proselytism (what a shame that it is forgotten that, apart from some of the Protestant buildings, the churches were there in Turkey before the Turkish state).

But now it's going beyond subliminal messages.

Last November, the Turkish forest service destroyed an historic Orthodox chapel in Halki, near Istanbul.

And already appearing on YouTube is one of the many episodes of the already condemned television series "The Valley of the Wolves", which proudly shows a young man entering a Christian bookstore and approaching the clerk or owner, courteously holding out a coin - probably posing as a kid who wants a handout - and then firing a pistol, instantly killing the man and leaving him there on the floor, to the indifference of all present. The show continues with the discovery of a printing press that publishes Gospel books, with a cover identical to the books commonly provided for the faithful in churches in Turkey.

It now seems that in Turkey it is the Christian as such who is identified as a missionary, and that Christianity is increasingly conceived as an element foreign to Turkish culture, and therefore necessarily an element to be eliminated, because it threatens the very unity of the country: in spite of the fact that Christians in Turkey are not even 0.2% of the population, the phobia that they are a destabilizing element for Muslim Turkish society has already reached the levels of a real and true paranoia.

Being a Christian in Turkey has thus for a while now meant running some risk of death. And not only that, but one can be deported just for not being a Muslim. The last to pay this price, at the end of 2007, was an American: Robert Johnson. He had succeeded, in an exhausting Via Crucis, in remaining in the country for eleven years, but he did not reach the twelfth station. Johnson opened a translation office with a friend, but right from the start the Turkish government denied this business partner permission to live in the country. Johnson was granted this only for a year, putting the future of his business in serious danger. So it was back and forth for eleven years: his request for citizenship was denied twice. Johnson is a Protestant, and the only "rumour" against him was that he was a missionary, but the Turkish authorities refused to say why they deported him: he was sent only a letter in which he was told to "leave by the end of this month" with his wife and four children.

Obviously, this expulsion will be definitive: no possibility to return to Turkey. But is it not a paradox that all this should happen in a country like Turkey, which has millions of its own citizens living in other countries? Why is there so much fear, even on the part of the government, over the presence of elements of faith different from that of the state, although unofficially, Islam? While it was already known that a Turk cannot become a Christian without being considered a traitor - although the country's constitution permits conversion after the age of eighteen - it seems that in Turkey today, one cannot even live as a Christian. It is a slow and insidious process of destruction. Is this the secularism, the democracy, the protection of ethnic and religious minorities of which this government boasts?

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Napalm · 01-11-2008, 11:36 PM

Christian usually means indiginous. Murder is all that Turks have done since their creation as a race. As usual the Jewish-run media completly covers up the fact that these animals are the true muslim terrorists of world history.

Apollyon · 01-12-2008, 06:42 AM

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Christian usually means indiginous. Murder is all that Turks have done since their creation as a race. As usual the Jewish-run media completly covers up the fact that these animals are the true muslim terrorists of world history.

Its the damn global-system that is against the truth the hellinism and christianity represent.
I dont understand why the muslims try so hard to "save" us , --islamize or die!!!
As a Hellen I am , i have free will and clear thought, i think for myself and i give the option to others to choose what they like. If u like to be muslim , just be, i dont give a ....

half greek · 01-12-2008, 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Napalm
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Christian usually means indiginous. Murder is all that Turks have done since their creation as a race. As usual the Jewish-run media completly covers up the fact that these animals are the true muslim terrorists of world history.

Spot on, the Zionists are the Turks Masters !

Apollyon · 01-13-2008, 06:17 AM

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Spot on, the Zionists are the Turks Masters !

...and whose masters they arent?!
They say jump and everyone do it...amazing... such dicipline you aint find in the army...
The new command is "Protect the enviroment",
and everyone tries to satisfy its masters....

Mr. Verenidou · 01-14-2008, 05:01 PM

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Behelit · 01-14-2008, 06:35 PM

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...and whose masters they arent?!

Iran
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half greek · 01-14-2008, 09:14 PM

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Iran
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Until the Zionists get America to deal with them!

Behelit · 01-15-2008, 11:44 AM

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Until the Zionists get America to deal with them!

And the USA will easely loose against the Iranian Army.
The US can only win with nuks and nothing else.Iran is way too strong for them.

Behelit · 01-15-2008, 11:46 AM

Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday that Israel would be Iran's first retaliatory target in response to any U.S. attack, a provocative threat that reinforced the Iranian president's past call for Israel to be "wiped off the map."

"We have announced that wherever (in Iran) America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel," the Iranian Student News Agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani as saying.

Dehghani, a top commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, also said Israel was not prepared to go to war against Iran.

"We will definitely resist ... U.S. B-52 (bombers)," Dehghani was quoted as saying.

On Tuesday, Israeli elder statesman Shimon Peres called on Iran to scrap its nuclear program and warned: "Remember that Israel is exceptionally strong and knows how to defend itself."

President Bush has said a military option remains on the table if Iran does not agree to international demands for it to stop enriching uranium and open its nuclear program to inspections. However, Bush said he wants to solve the dispute through diplomacy.

Dehghani, who served as a spokesman during Revolutionary Guards war games last month, said the exercises were held ahead of schedule to send a message to the U.S. and its allies against any plans for a military strike.

"We were due to organize the maneuvers in May but because of timing conditions and issues related to nuclear energy and upon the recommendation of Mr. Larijani, it was held 40 days sooner than planned," he said. Ali Larijani is Iran's top nuclear negotiator.

Friday marked the deadline set by the U.N. Security Council for Iran to freeze its uranium enrichment program. Council members are now considering the next steps, which could include punishing sanctions though Russia and China are on record as opposing that option.

"The Security Council will take up the issue of Iran on Wednesday," said CBS News foreign affairs analyst Pamela Falk from the U.N. "In an afternoon session on non-proliferation, and with elements of a draft resolution circulating, the real test of the U.N. will be if they can get achieve consensus on a resolution that is binding and holds out the possibility of later sanctions."

No vote is expected on a resolution until next week, Falk reports, but the negotiations are intense on how to word the resolution.

"The stakes are high," she said.

The semiofficial student news agency gave no further details on Dehghani's remarks or where he made them.

Israel's army chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, said in an interview published Tuesday that the world has the military might to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. He also said that if Iran does obtain nuclear capability, it will constitute a threat to Israel's existence.

When asked if the world can, militarily, stop Iran's nuclear program, Halutz told the Maariv newspaper "Yes, yes. Regarding whether or not the world can, the answer is yes."

Questioned on whether Israel would be involved in such a military operation against its top enemy, Halutz said "We are part of the world."

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01-11-2008, 09:47 PM	#1
half greek GR Elite Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: UK, just outside London Posts: 675 Total Points: 867,379.28 My Mood: Donate	Turks Target Another Christian He was about to kill a Protestant pastor in Samsun: he was detained, and then released by Mavi Zambak He's just the latest of a number of young people involved in actions against representatives of the Christian minority. He denies being part of any terrorist organisation, but his is one of a series of actions - sometimes public - against the Christian minority. Ankara (AsiaNews) - The online Turkish agency Gazeteport broke the news: "at the last minute, a new assassination attempt against a Protestant pastor in Turkey has been foiled". The setting of the possible act: the "Agape" Protestant church in Samsun (a Turkish city on the Black Sea), which has been a target of various acts of violence in the past. The attempt against the pastor - Orhan Pıçakçılar, a Turkish national - was prepared by the "umpteenth" young man, who was arrested in time by the police, thanks to telephone surveillance. The 17-year-old, who previously had threatened the pastor with death over the telephone, also used the telephone to brag to his two brothers, telling them to watch the television the following day. "Tomorrow you'll see me on TV, I'm going to kill in Samsun". The minor, who in a photo published by the Gazeteport newspaper appears provocatively in a black shirt, wearing Ray-Ban sunglasses and with his hair carefully arranged with gel, told the police - who captured him near the city of Ordu, on the northern border with Georgia, in possession of a pistol - that he simply wanted to scare the minister, saying that he did not belong to any terrorist organisation. So he was immediately released, on the sole condition that he not leave the country. Is he just the usual "troubled" youngster wanting to make a name for himself? Episodes like this have by now become the order of the day in Turkey, and news of them seems to receive less and less attention, and to provoke little outrage. On December 31, 2007, a 22-year-old man, Murat T., received money and a map of the Protestant church of Saint Paul in Antalya, for the purpose of burning it together with its pastor, Ramazan Arkan. In this case, too, the Turkish press praised the intervention of the police in preventing the attack, thanks to telephone surveillance and the man's criminal record. In this case, too, the target was a Protestant pastor of Turkish nationality. In this case, too, the young man was released and simply sent into military service, something he had been trying to evade. And the young man who tried to stab the Italian Capuchin priest Adriano Franchini on December 16 - what happened to him? It all ended without any serious reflection on this phenomenon of "hooliganism" with tragic consequences and precisely selected targets: Christian ministers. What can be expected from a Turkish politics that is "schizophrenic" in regard to Christianity? At the end of December, the Turkish press recounted the burning of more than ten churches in India on the part of Hindus, justifying it this way: "the Christians are guilty of missionary activities". In other words, everything gave the impression of being a subliminal message for the burning of churches in Turkey as well, where the very presence of churches is seen as missionary proselytism (what a shame that it is forgotten that, apart from some of the Protestant buildings, the churches were there in Turkey before the Turkish state). But now it's going beyond subliminal messages. Last November, the Turkish forest service destroyed an historic Orthodox chapel in Halki, near Istanbul. And already appearing on YouTube is one of the many episodes of the already condemned television series "The Valley of the Wolves", which proudly shows a young man entering a Christian bookstore and approaching the clerk or owner, courteously holding out a coin - probably posing as a kid who wants a handout - and then firing a pistol, instantly killing the man and leaving him there on the floor, to the indifference of all present. The show continues with the discovery of a printing press that publishes Gospel books, with a cover identical to the books commonly provided for the faithful in churches in Turkey. It now seems that in Turkey it is the Christian as such who is identified as a missionary, and that Christianity is increasingly conceived as an element foreign to Turkish culture, and therefore necessarily an element to be eliminated, because it threatens the very unity of the country: in spite of the fact that Christians in Turkey are not even 0.2% of the population, the phobia that they are a destabilizing element for Muslim Turkish society has already reached the levels of a real and true paranoia. Being a Christian in Turkey has thus for a while now meant running some risk of death. And not only that, but one can be deported just for not being a Muslim. The last to pay this price, at the end of 2007, was an American: Robert Johnson. He had succeeded, in an exhausting Via Crucis, in remaining in the country for eleven years, but he did not reach the twelfth station. Johnson opened a translation office with a friend, but right from the start the Turkish government denied this business partner permission to live in the country. Johnson was granted this only for a year, putting the future of his business in serious danger. So it was back and forth for eleven years: his request for citizenship was denied twice. Johnson is a Protestant, and the only "rumour" against him was that he was a missionary, but the Turkish authorities refused to say why they deported him: he was sent only a letter in which he was told to "leave by the end of this month" with his wife and four children. Obviously, this expulsion will be definitive: no possibility to return to Turkey. But is it not a paradox that all this should happen in a country like Turkey, which has millions of its own citizens living in other countries? Why is there so much fear, even on the part of the government, over the presence of elements of faith different from that of the state, although unofficially, Islam? While it was already known that a Turk cannot become a Christian without being considered a traitor - although the country's constitution permits conversion after the age of eighteen - it seems that in Turkey today, one cannot even live as a Christian. It is a slow and insidious process of destruction. Is this the secularism, the democracy, the protection of ethnic and religious minorities of which this government boasts? To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. Bring back Tassos Papadopoulos

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01-14-2008, 05:01 PM	#6
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01-15-2008, 11:46 AM	#10
Behelit GR Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Brussels Posts: 90 Total Points: 1,017,659.33 Donate	Israel Will Be First Target Of Retaliation if the US strikes,Iranian Commander Says Revolutionary Guards commander said Tuesday that Israel would be Iran's first retaliatory target in response to any U.S. attack, a provocative threat that reinforced the Iranian president's past call for Israel to be "wiped off the map." "We have announced that wherever (in Iran) America does make any mischief, the first place we target will be Israel," the Iranian Student News Agency quoted Gen. Mohammad Ebrahim Dehghani as saying. Dehghani, a top commander of the elite Revolutionary Guards, also said Israel was not prepared to go to war against Iran. "We will definitely resist ... U.S. B-52 (bombers)," Dehghani was quoted as saying. On Tuesday, Israeli elder statesman Shimon Peres called on Iran to scrap its nuclear program and warned: "Remember that Israel is exceptionally strong and knows how to defend itself." President Bush has said a military option remains on the table if Iran does not agree to international demands for it to stop enriching uranium and open its nuclear program to inspections. However, Bush said he wants to solve the dispute through diplomacy. Dehghani, who served as a spokesman during Revolutionary Guards war games last month, said the exercises were held ahead of schedule to send a message to the U.S. and its allies against any plans for a military strike. "We were due to organize the maneuvers in May but because of timing conditions and issues related to nuclear energy and upon the recommendation of Mr. Larijani, it was held 40 days sooner than planned," he said. Ali Larijani is Iran's top nuclear negotiator. Friday marked the deadline set by the U.N. Security Council for Iran to freeze its uranium enrichment program. Council members are now considering the next steps, which could include punishing sanctions though Russia and China are on record as opposing that option. "The Security Council will take up the issue of Iran on Wednesday," said CBS News foreign affairs analyst Pamela Falk from the U.N. "In an afternoon session on non-proliferation, and with elements of a draft resolution circulating, the real test of the U.N. will be if they can get achieve consensus on a resolution that is binding and holds out the possibility of later sanctions." No vote is expected on a resolution until next week, Falk reports, but the negotiations are intense on how to word the resolution. "The stakes are high," she said. The semiofficial student news agency gave no further details on Dehghani's remarks or where he made them. Israel's army chief, Lt. Gen. Dan Halutz, said in an interview published Tuesday that the world has the military might to prevent Iran from developing a nuclear weapon. He also said that if Iran does obtain nuclear capability, it will constitute a threat to Israel's existence. When asked if the world can, militarily, stop Iran's nuclear program, Halutz told the Maariv newspaper "Yes, yes. Regarding whether or not the world can, the answer is yes." Questioned on whether Israel would be involved in such a military operation against its top enemy, Halutz said "We are part of the world." continue.. To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts. __________________ Ναι γεννηθήκαμε και θα πεθάνουμε Έλληνες To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.

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