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Old 06-21-2008, 11:22 AM   #61
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I believe the US is behind a lot of things. But why play around though? They could just go into Greece right now and take it if they wanted to. Why bother with the manipulations and cat and mouse games. They can take out the entire Balkans. Who's gonna stop them? Europe?

I think they're playing around because so far their tactics have worked (intrigue, puppet governments, etc) and it creates the facade that the US isn't involved.
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I dont believe or trust our government, but the military capabilities are there. We've had those abilities a long time ago and they were already used. I can't imagine being less advanced now then in WW2.

I am no defender of the US, not the way it is. Not how it's become, and by that I don't mean any dirty tactics or things like that, but how the US treats it's own hard working citizens. We are 2nd class to the 3rd worlders here, this is how I feel. They have more rights when they are entitled to none. I guess the goal of the US is to crap up the world, divide, cause a dependency allowing for the elite to control everything. This is my opinion in what is happening here on a smaller scale.

I can believe what you are saying, I put nothing past the US, I just can't figure why play the games. But if you don't believe we are militarily capable to do otherwise, then I see why you think that way.
I don't say that you don't have military capabilities, but you are obviously overating them. It's this dream a lot Americans are leaving of being "the almighty".

You are talking about using nukes like it would be something simple and without sequence. What can be the possible consequences if USA uses nukes?

In WW2, USA had almost all the world on their side when they bombed the two Japanese cities, a world desperate to stop the nazist terror and that war. And Japan was seen as a rekindler of the nazist terror. And probably the most important: in 1945 USA was the only country of the world that pocessed nuclear weapons. Would you imagine the concequences if Germany would have them as well?

Now not only USA is not the only one who pocesses nuclear weapons, but they are not even the first nuclear power. And let's not forget the interests of the first (in rank) nuclear power of the world (Russia) in the Balkans. If we talk that much theoritically, that it would be possible for USA to use nuclear weapons in the Balkans, then we can also say that Russia could react and level the whole USA? If we talk that much theoritically, we talk about a completely different status quo.

What's preferable. Doing all your job by dirty games which work well so far, or risking your destruction and the destruction of the world?

I believe that the leadership of USA is conscienceless and a threat to humanity, but not that much insane. They will use nukes only in the extreme case, when they feel they are lost.

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Agreed. They used the war only in extreme cases. And they are many cases they can't use it.

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Re: Turkey ready to go to Iraq

I could be overrating their abilites. I can't really dispute anything you are saying, cause I can't and won't defend the US.
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