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06-25-2008, 05:07 PM
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Quote: | Romanians and Albos came from the same area of Caucasus. ( I wonder how many races that place produced ?) They have also the same phychological profile. Thieves,murderers,scums. And thats not because the poverty of their own.
About Ghegs and Tosks now, what do you mean? Are they different?
I think nope, except the side of Albania they live, south side for Ghegs i think and northside for the others.
Umm.... maybe theres a difference between them and its in appearance. Those who live in north side are more blond and have less rough facial characteristics.
(Dont make me to open my books again.please,its summer time)
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| the south side its the tosks and the north side are the ghegs. they look different and speak in different dialects. | 
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06-25-2008, 07:42 PM
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I recently read an interesting 2006 scientific study called "Paternal and maternal lineages in the Balkans show a homogeneous landscape over linguistic barriers, except for the isolated Aromuns" by E. Bosch et al. [Annals of Human Genetics (2006) 70, 459-487] which cited the following from a 2004 study:
"An analysis of several Alu insertion polymorphisms in the Balkans, including Aromuns (Comas et al. 2004), has shown that Balkan populations share a common ancestry with no major genetic barriers and a lack of correlation between genetic differentiation and language or ethnicity."
If you have an Access Card for the New York Public Library, you can view this article on-line on their web page.
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Quote: | Romanians and Albos came from the same area of Caucasus. ( I wonder how many races that place produced ?) They have also the same phychological profile. Thieves,murderers,scums. And thats not because the poverty of their own.
About Ghegs and Tosks now, what do you mean? Are they different?
I think nope, except the side of Albania they live, south side for Ghegs i think and northside for the others.
Umm.... maybe theres a difference between them and its in appearance. Those who live in north side are more blond and have less rough facial characteristics.
(Dont make me to open my books again.please,its summer time)
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| The Tosks (South Albanians) have Epirot and Illyrian roots. The Arvanites are Tosks.
The Ghegs (North Albanians) originate from Caucasus. This is the first time I hear that the Romanians can have origin from Caucasus though.
You can see the difference in appearance too, as you said. The clear Tosk Albanians look like Greeks in appearance. The Ghegs have much different appearance, you can discern them so easily in a crowd To view links or images in this forum your post count must be 1 or greater. You currently have 0 posts.. | |
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06-25-2008, 08:02 PM
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Quote: | The Tosks (South Albanians) have Epirot and Illyrian roots. The Arvanites are Tosks.
The Ghegs (North Albanians) originate from Caucasus. This is the first time I hear that the Romanians can have origin from Caucasus though.
You can see the difference in appearance too, as you said. The clear Tosk Albanians look like Greeks in appearance. The Ghegs have much different appearance, you can discern them so easily in a crowd
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. | From what you've observed which Albanian tribe is more common in Greece?? | |
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06-25-2008, 08:16 PM
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Quote: | From what you've observed which Albanian tribe is more common in Greece?? | They are probably 50-50, as the last decades people from all parts of Albania are immigrating to Greece.
Among the Albanians I met personally, I know just as much Greek looking ones as different looking ones. Many of the Tosk ones present their selves as Northern Epirots, even if they had Albanian as mother language before they came to Greece.
This is happening with some Ghegs too, who want to be Hellenized, but in a smaller frequency. | |
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06-25-2008, 08:27 PM
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Quote: | I recently read an interesting 2006 scientific study called "Paternal and maternal lineages in the Balkans show a homogeneous landscape over linguistic barriers, except for the isolated Aromuns" by E. Bosch et al. [Annals of Human Genetics (2006) 70, 459-487] which cited the following from a 2004 study:
"An analysis of several Alu insertion polymorphisms in the Balkans, including Aromuns (Comas et al. 2004), has shown that Balkan populations share a common ancestry with no major genetic barriers and a lack of correlation between genetic differentiation and language or ethnicity."
If you have an Access Card for the New York Public Library, you can view this article on-line on their web page. | They are probably most likely refering to the Slavic people or the Turks
If the test was conducted in Turkey than I can definately understand why someone would reach such a conclusion considering that the todays Turk posses blood from pretty much every balkan nationality that exists.
I would also bet that many nationalities in the Balkans have some Greek blood in them to. | 
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06-25-2008, 08:33 PM
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The Ghegs (North Albanians) originate from Caucasus.
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06-25-2008, 08:36 PM
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Quote: | Many Bulgarians seem to have this idea that they are completely related to the Thracians. I wonder why they would think something like this when its well known that they came from a Turkic tribe. | You know the word Vulgar comes from Bulgar, just tell them that and see what they say!
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06-25-2008, 08:38 PM
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Quote: | You know the word Vulgar comes from Bulgar, just tell them that and see what they say! | I know what many of them would say . Nothing but Greek propaganda hahaha but this is what I have learned about them. | |
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06-25-2008, 08:54 PM
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Quote: | I know what many of them would say . Nothing but Greek propaganda hahaha but this is what I have learned about them. | Don't tell them about the Byzantine Bulgar slayer thou, they might cry.
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