House panel passes Armenian genocide resolution

half greek · 10-10-2007, 09:16 PM

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. House committee approved a resolution calling the 1915 massacres of Armenians genocide on Wednesday, brushing aside White House warnings that it would do "great harm" to ties with NATO ally Turkey, a key supporter in the Iraq war.

The House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee approved the resolution 27-21. It now goes to the House floor, where Democratic leaders say there will be a vote by mid-November. There is a companion bill in the Senate, but both measures are strictly symbolic, and do not require the president's signature.

Turkey calls the resolution an insult and rejects the Armenian position, backed by many Western historians, that up to 1.5 million Armenians suffered genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks during World War One. Turkey has warned of damage to bilateral ties if Congress passes the measure

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Prokomenos · 10-11-2007, 05:24 AM

That is great and its about time. Hopefully next they will recognize the Greeks to.

Ellinas · 10-11-2007, 09:43 AM

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WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A U.S. House committee approved a resolution calling the 1915 massacres of Armenians genocide on Wednesday, brushing aside White House warnings that it would do "great harm" to ties with NATO ally Turkey, a key supporter in the Iraq war.

The House of Representatives Foreign Affairs Committee approved the resolution 27-21. It now goes to the House floor, where Democratic leaders say there will be a vote by mid-November. There is a companion bill in the Senate, but both measures are strictly symbolic, and do not require the president's signature.

Turkey calls the resolution an insult and rejects the Armenian position, backed by many Western historians, that up to 1.5 million Armenians suffered genocide at the hands of Ottoman Turks during World War One. Turkey has warned of damage to bilateral ties if Congress passes the measure

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This doesn't mean something. Do you think that Turkey is ever going to recognize it as long as they are treated like they are now?

Ara · 10-11-2007, 04:53 PM

Its positive but America is just hypocrat, they will not recognize the genocide because US interests would take harm from this. Turkey's recognition of genocide is not important at this moment, world powers like America,France are much more important because the other countries will follow them.

half greek · 10-12-2007, 04:36 PM

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This doesn't mean something. Do you think that Turkey is ever going to recognize it as long as they are treated like they are now?

It's not about Turkey recognising it, it's about America and Europe recognising it. The Turk's need to be shown for what they are.

half greek · 10-12-2007, 05:02 PM

Israel expresses concern over Turkish-Armenian massacre dispute
The Associated PressPublished: October 11, 2007

JERUSALEM: Israel on Thursday expressed concern over the dispute over the World War I killing of more than 1 million Armenians by Ottoman Turks but tried to deflect pressure from Turkey to take its side.Yes we know you support Turkey

During his visit to Israel this week, Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan pressed Israel to use its influence in Washington to help kill a Congressional effort to label the mass killing as genocide. Turkey has been resisting such efforts for decades.Yes the Turk knows who controls America, go striaght to the Boss

In media interviews, Babacan warned that Turkey's relations with Israel and the United States could suffer if the genocide resolution is approved. U.S. President George W. Bush has called on Congress to defeat it, pointing to the importance of Turkey as an ally.No bases to launch an attack on Iran

Armenians say more than 1.5 million people were killed from 1915-17 in a systematic genocide of Armenians waged during the Ottoman Empire before the birth of modern Turkey in 1923.

The Turks refuse to call it genocide, saying the Armenians were the victims of widespread chaos and political upheaval as the 600-year-old empire collapsed — not genocide.What they decided to leave their homes and march miles to the desert

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Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Mark Regev confirmed the issue came up during talks between Babacan and Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni.

"We take the Turkish concerns very seriously. We have an excellent relationship with Turkey," Regev said Thursday.We know you do, you stole someone else's land like they did and called it yours

He declined to discuss Israel's response or say whether Israel would ask You mean order its allies in Washington to intervene. In recent months the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish group known for fighting anti-Semitism, changed its policy and declared the killing of the Armenians "tantamount to genocide," provoking Turkish wrath.

The debate in Washington over the World I massacre of Armenians has put Israel in an uncomfortable position. Turkey is a key Israeli ally Yea we know, you train their fighter pilots and one of its few friends in the Muslim world. At the same time, Israel was built in the aftermath of the Nazi Holocaust, and genocide is an extremely sensitive topic.

Alon Liel, a former director of Israel's foreign ministry and expert in Israel-Turkey relations, said the U.S. legislation could ultimately hurt ties between the two countries.

"We tried all these years not to get into it," he said. But because of the ADL's new position, "Turkey will blame the Jewish organizations, and then this could bounce back to us."

Israel has acknowledged that massacres were perpetrated against the Armenians and expressed sympathy for their suffering. But the government has stopped short of calling it genocide.:mpa: I wounder why

Regev said Thursday "there is no change" in Israel's policy.

Earlier this year, the parliament shelved a proposal for a discussion on the Armenian genocide at the request of Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. At the time, Livni expressed concern the issue could destabilize ties with Turkey.

"As Jews and Israelis, we have special sympathy and a moral obligation to commemorate the massacres that were perpetrated against the Armenians in the last years of Ottoman rule," said a statement from Livni at the time, hoping "both sides will reach an open dialogue that will enable them to heal the wounds that have been left open."

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Prokomenos · 10-13-2007, 05:51 AM

YEREVAN, Armenia - Armenian lawmakers rose to their feet in applause, and their president urged the United States to go further after a U.S. House panel approved a resolution labeling the World War I-era killings of Armenians by Turks genocide.

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Fatsa · 10-13-2007, 11:40 AM

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During his visit to Israel this week, Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan pressed Israel to use its influence in Washington to help kill a Congressional effort to label the mass killing as genocide. Turkey has been resisting such efforts for decades.Yes the Turk knows who controls America, go striaght to the Boss

You're not lying. That's why Israel is worried about this hurting their relationship with Turkey if it goes all the way. Everyone knows that the jewish lobbies, jewish controlled American media, and jewish organizations control the United States. If this thing goes all the way and passes, the Turks will blame the jews for not stopping it. Most people are intelligent enough to see that the only reason Turkey has a relationship with Israel is because of the jews' enormous power in the US government.

As for the rest of the article, I love how you stressed your own opinion in bold letters. Made me laugh my ass off.
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Ara · 10-13-2007, 03:55 PM

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It's not about Turkey recognising it, it's about America and Europe recognising it. The Turk's need to be shown for what they are.

I agree,as i said world power America's recognising politically much more important,but Turkey's recognising is also important,its emotionally important for Armenians,but now we must focus on America.

Mr. Verenidou · 10-13-2007, 04:18 PM

Turkey will never recognize so-called Armenian Genocide. i can tell.

yes, Ara, many historians claim that ( with proofs? ) Ottomans (not Turks) committed a genocide against Armenians but again, many historians claim that ( with proofs) it was not agains their ethnicity. and those proofs also underline the fact that the loss of the armenian population at the time was not 1.5 millions but about 400-500 thousands. a huge gap, right?.

i believe, and i know, if it were Greeks who Armenians started to slauhgter in Eastern Anatolia after they allied with Russia, Ottomans ( not Turks) would have done the same. it was possible that reminiscients of Pontic Greeks, like me Winking smilie lived in the area and Armenians could attack them because Greeks were Ottoman too ( i hope you all can understand the difference between Turk and Ottoman) .

they had to be driven off from Anatolia because they started slaughtering people. many of them were driven to Cilicia, Lebanon ( Lebanon was a state of Ottoman Empire), Syria and partly Iran. on the way of exile, most of them died of hunger, bad conditions, infections. and they were murdered by Turks or Kurds as well. but it was not against their ethnicity. this is the 'thin layer'. if you push it harder, it will break off.

and no matter Turks seek a way to set things alright or create a peaceful session to discuss, Armenians bring their hate and profanity.

actually, most of the activist Armenians are from diaspora and they do not have any idea what armenian is/was. they do not know what conditions the Armenians of Armenia live in. and the biggest thing that brings them together is ' Turkey '. a simple talk:

- hey, i am Armenian and i hate Turks.
-oh, we have so much in common. i hate Turks , too.

that's all. i read their forums and i am a member of the forum myself. all they do is to give crap about Turkey. they can not even talk about this in a 'polite ' way.

they are complaining about the things their grands had been through but now most of them want to do what so-called things happened to their grands. this is pathetic.

i am a Pontic Turk and i think Turks are scapegoats. i do not think Armenia is right. as long as they continue these, they are doomed to live in poverty and isolation.

euxaristw poly, oloys.