Majority of Anatolian Turks are Greeks racially

[Ara]

According to racial anthropology roughly half of today's Turkish population is in reality turmenized Byzantines or Greeks (35% in form of Dinaricized Mediterraneans and 20% in the form of East Mediterranean's). Racialy pure Turks are noneexistant but rather mixed Greek-Persian-Turkics are around 20% in central Anatolia (Konya region). Turks of Greek ancestry number around 30 million (or staggering three time the number of Greeks in Greece).

Turkey=
35% Dinaricized Mediterraneans ( Greek colonists)
20% Mediterraneans ( Aegean coast, greek colonists)
25% Irano-Afghans ( eastern Turkey, Kurds )
20% Turanids ( original semi-oriental Turkics, inhabits continental parts of central Anatolia one of them being region around Konya ) = 35% D.M. / 25% I.A. / 20% Med. / 20% T.


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-East Mediterranean or Pontid subrace (Black Sea coast of Ukraine, Romania and Bulgaria; Aegean coasts of Greece and Turkey)

-Dinaricized Mediterraneans (Residual mixed types resulting from the blending of Mediterranids with Dinarics, Alpines or Armenids; not a unified type, has much regional variation; predominant element [over 60%] in Sicily and southern Italy, principal element in Turkey [35%], important element in western Syria, Lebanon and central Italy, common in northern Italy. The ancient Cappadocian Mediterranean subrace of Anatolia was dinaricized during the Bronze Age [second millennium B.C.] and is a major contributor to this type in modern Turkey.)

- Turanid race (partially hybridized with Mongoloids; predominant element in Kazakhstan.; common in Hungary and Turkey)

- Irano-Afghan race (predominant in Iran and Afghanistan, primary element in Iraq, common [25%] in Turkey)


-Turanid's are descendants original Turkish invaders of Anatolia (mixed Turkics). Irano-Afghan type consists of Persian element (todays Kurds).


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1) Roman Empire had around 60 milion people of which roughly 50% / 50% was devided between Eastern and Western Roman parts of the Empire.


2) Byzantine Balkan part had 3-4 million people ( Constantinople alone between 0.5m.-1.0 m. ) . Regions which are equivalent to todays Greece had around 1 million thus leaving between 1.5 to 2 million Byzantines in Illyria ( ~ 0.7m. ) , Makedonia ( ~ 0.5m. ) , and Trakia ( ~ 0.6m ) .


3 ) Bulgars numbered at most 20.000 people thus explaining why they didnt leave a bigger racial impact on the population of modern Bulgaria ( Trakia = ~ 0.6m ) .Bulgars were Turcic people with minor Iranian admixture and their remains are members of the "Turanid" racial type in NE Bulgaria . Eastern Med racial type (related to hellenistic thracians and byzantine hellenophone romans and others greeks there is dominant in todays Bulgaria especially southern Bulgaria (region where southern hellenistic thrace existed).


4) Turks ( original Mongoloids with minor Persian influence ) numbered several million ( 2-3 ) while the Byzantine ( mainly Greeks ) population of Anatolia numbered during the time of Justinian empire ~ 10m. That would make the Byzantine population in Anatolia in the next 3 or so centuries after Justinian ( ~10cen. was when Seljuks penetrated Anatolia ) at liest 10m up to 15m ( likely say 13m ).Byzantines outnumbered Turks 4-1.

Turanid ( mixed Mongol Turks with Meditterenian autohronius people ) population today in Turkey doesnt exceed 20-25% of Total . Greek racial elemet is ~ 1/2 of Turkey ( Coastal and Western Regions ) while Iranian ( Primarily Kurds ) is 1/4 of the total population.

[Ara]

Original Turks were related to Mongols (unlike 80% of populations of todays Anatolia which are turmenized) and came from the region of todays Chinese province called Xinjiang (those Turks there today are called Uigurs) or as Turks call it eastern Turkestan (which borders Mongolia) and its vicinity.

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[Ellinas]

Interesting websites.

This is almost what I calculate regarding the modern-day Turks who are of Hellenic descent. 55% can sound a bit exaggerated, but the number is still big, probably something like 40%. You don't need any knownledge in genetics to understand this, the majority of the Turks who live in Pontus and the Aegean coast have Greek facial characteristics, the Turks with the Mongoloid Turanid characteristics are less frequent. I doubt if the clearly ethnic Turks ( meaning the descedants of the Gozturk, Oghuz etc.) are more than 10-15 millions. I've talked with a person who descents from an Ottoman family and knew much about their spread. He told me that he calculates the number of the ethnic Turks are about 10 million, a small part of Turkey's population today.

As you said, besides Pontus and the Aegean coast, the presense of Greeks in Anatolia was intense also. Let's not forget that the Karamanlides used to be Turkish-speaking Hellenic peoples who lived in Anatolia. Many of them moved to Greece the latest centuries. Kostas Karamanlis, the current Prime Minister of Greece descents from them.

[Prokomenos]

Great thread and very true about the Anatolian Turks which are mostly Greek racially. I dont know numbers but Im sure its high. Another question to be asked though is how many of them actually acknowledge that they are Greek.

[Ara]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Great thread and very true about the Anatolian Turks which are mostly Greek racially. I dont know numbers but Im sure its high. Another question to be asked though is how many of them actually acknowledge that they are Greek.

Actually they know,for example today people call "Gavur Izmir", gavur means infidel because most people believe Izmir population are of Greek origin.Including prime minister Erdogan called the city gavur Izmir.

But most of them are not aware because of brainwasing campaign in schools.

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by Ellinas
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Interesting websites.

This is almost what I calculate regarding the modern-day Turks who are of Hellenic descent. 55% can sound a bit exaggerated, but the number is still big, probably something like 40%. You don't need any knownledge in genetics to understand this, the majority of the Turks who live in Pontus and the Aegean coast have Greek facial characteristics, the Turks with the Mongoloid Turanid characteristics are less frequent. I doubt if the clearly ethnic Turks ( meaning the descedants of the Gozturk, Oghuz etc.) are more than 10-15 millions. I've talked with a person who descents from an Ottoman family and knew much about their spread. He told me that he calculates the number of the ethnic Turks are about 10 million, a small part of Turkey's population today.

As you said, besides Pontus and the Aegean coast, the presense of Greeks in Anatolia was intense also. Let's not forget that the Karamanlides used to be Turkish-speaking Hellenic peoples who lived in Anatolia. Many of them moved to Greece the latest centuries. Kostas Karamanlis, the current Prime Minister of Greece descents from them.

Just a completion: Nice pics, thanks
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[Prokomenos]

Im not surprised the Turks are well known for attempting to Turkify the people they conquer.

[Ara]

Originally Posted by Ellinas
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Interesting websites.

This is almost what I calculate regarding the modern-day Turks who are of Hellenic descent. 55% can sound a bit exaggerated, but the number is still big, probably something like 40%. You don't need any knownledge in genetics to understand this, the majority of the Turks who live in Pontus and the Aegean coast have Greek facial characteristics, the Turks with the Mongoloid Turanid characteristics are less frequent. I doubt if the clearly ethnic Turks ( meaning the descedants of the Gozturk, Oghuz etc.) are more than 10-15 millions. I've talked with a person who descents from an Ottoman family and knew much about their spread. He told me that he calculates the number of the ethnic Turks are about 10 million, a small part of Turkey's population today.

As you said, besides Pontus and the Aegean coast, the presense of Greeks in Anatolia was intense also. Let's not forget that the Karamanlides used to be Turkish-speaking Hellenic peoples who lived in Anatolia. Many of them moved to Greece the latest centuries. Kostas Karamanlis, the current Prime Minister of Greece descents from them.

Just an addition, there are still Greek (Rumca) speaking people exist today in Black Sea region.