Greek youth in the Homeland

[Prokomenos]

Tin gnomi sas eseis pou menetai stin Ellada.

Youth depressed, trapped in seclusion

By Tasoula Karaiskaki

In Britain they call them NEETS (Not in education, employment or training) – which refers to young people who have failed to carve any niche for themselves in the world of work or studies; in America they call them twixters (young people trapped “betwixt” adolescence and adulthood); in Japan they distinguish between “anti-social parasites” (young people who avoid working and sponge off their parents into their 30s), “freeters” (perennial temporary workers) and “hikikomori” (a term that refers to the tendency of certain youths to hibernate in their rooms, emerging occasionally for meals).
In Greece they have no name – although they certainly exist in great numbers – probably because they have been so well hidden by their families. But we certainly have NEETS, twixters and freeters galore, all hidden deep behind their families’ skirts.

These Greek youngsters are the same as others the world over; they have not pursued their studies (14 percent of Greek adolescents drop out of school) and are not interested in permanent work (with 24 percent of Greeks aged between 15 and 24 without a job). These are kids who noticed early on that opportunities are few and far between, who were crestfallen at the prospect of working full-time for 700 euros a month, and have therefore decided to put off growing up. This is a growing group of Greeks who are categorized under the label “unemployed youth” and have been forgotten.
In Britain, the so-called NEETS are a veritable scourge: they number more than 1.2 million and are expected to cost the British state up to 300,000 pounds Sterling (441,000 euros) per year.

These are kids who have turned their back on the system, who have no social life, who do not believe in themselves, their present or their future. British scientists describe them as insecure and shy children, scared of life, rejected by society, forgotten by the system. The British government, which noticed the problem in 2000, tried in vain to impose a solution by subsidizing the return of these children to school (with 40 pounds, or 59 euros, per week); now it is considering making education obligatory until the age of 18. And if the problem has not been tackled by 2013, the government is considering imposing a fine of 50 pounds, or 73 euros, for every attempt to avoid school or training.

But can such repressive measures effectively tackle a problem with such deep social roots? We are not talking about traditional adolescent indolence, hanging around cafes and partying in dorms, but about real depression and loneliness, about social exclusion. A dead-end life in seclusion, supported by easily acquired electronic gadgets. A life that bursts like a bubble when forced to enter the “real world” of work and obligations.

[Apollyon]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Tin gnomi sas eseis pou menetai stin Ellada.

Youth depressed, trapped in seclusion

By Tasoula Karaiskaki............................t or training) – which refers to bursts like a bubble when forced to enter the “real world” of work and obligations.

Kala pou to vrikes auto....
gia mena milaei i kiria Tasoula.....
mallon psaxnei na brei kana agoraki gia sex kai
epeidi den tis kathontai ta paraleei

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by Apollyon
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Kala pou to vrikes auto....
gia mena milaei i kiria Tasoula.....
mallon psaxnei na brei kana agoraki gia sex kai
epeidi den tis kathontai ta paraleei

Όντως
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[Megale]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos
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Tin gnomi sas eseis pou menetai stin Ellada.

Youth depressed, trapped in seclusion

By Tasoula Karaiskaki

In Britain they call them NEETS (Not in education, employment or training) – which refers to young people who have failed to carve any niche for themselves in the world of work or studies; in America they call them twixters (young people trapped “betwixt” adolescence and adulthood); in Japan they distinguish between “anti-social parasites” (young people who avoid working and sponge off their parents into their 30s), “freeters” (perennial temporary workers) and “hikikomori” (a term that refers to the tendency of certain youths to hibernate in their rooms, emerging occasionally for meals).
In Greece they have no name – although they certainly exist in great numbers – probably because they have been so well hidden by their families. But we certainly have NEETS, twixters and freeters galore, all hidden deep behind their families’ skirts.

These Greek youngsters are the same as others the world over; they have not pursued their studies (14 percent of Greek adolescents drop out of school) and are not interested in permanent work (with 24 percent of Greeks aged between 15 and 24 without a job). These are kids who noticed early on that opportunities are few and far between, who were crestfallen at the prospect of working full-time for 700 euros a month, and have therefore decided to put off growing up. This is a growing group of Greeks who are categorized under the label “unemployed youth” and have been forgotten.
In Britain, the so-called NEETS are a veritable scourge: they number more than 1.2 million and are expected to cost the British state up to 300,000 pounds Sterling (441,000 euros) per year.

These are kids who have turned their back on the system, who have no social life, who do not believe in themselves, their present or their future. British scientists describe them as insecure and shy children, scared of life, rejected by society, forgotten by the system. The British government, which noticed the problem in 2000, tried in vain to impose a solution by subsidizing the return of these children to school (with 40 pounds, or 59 euros, per week); now it is considering making education obligatory until the age of 18. And if the problem has not been tackled by 2013, the government is considering imposing a fine of 50 pounds, or 73 euros, for every attempt to avoid school or training.

But can such repressive measures effectively tackle a problem with such deep social roots? We are not talking about traditional adolescent indolence, hanging around cafes and partying in dorms, but about real depression and loneliness, about social exclusion. A dead-end life in seclusion, supported by easily acquired electronic gadgets. A life that bursts like a bubble when forced to enter the “real world” of work and obligations.

I see what that article is trying to say, but it makes the mistake of pigeon-holing everyone into a nice neat category. The "slackers" are actually partying and casuing more trouble then the ones with obligations becasue they aren't working 60 hours a week like the others. These aren't people to pity and to look upon as outcasts but rather as lazy.

[Prokomenos]

Originally Posted by Apollyon
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Kala pou to vrikes auto....
gia mena milaei i kiria Tasoula.....
mallon psaxnei na brei kana agoraki gia sex kai
epeidi den tis kathontai ta paraleei

Xaxa to vrika stin ekathimerini. Den xero giafto to evala edo na do tin gnomis sas.

[pankration]

Great find. I'm printing it and distributing it to my students tomorrow. Hopefully this will wake up the slackers.

[Neeshka]

slackers? kids are what society make them be. at least in greece we are getting bombed from every location - especially home and television - that the perfect life is earning 2k a month having a nice car, nice house and ofc a high spot in an office. but hello? how can a not so intelligent , maybe even lazy 15 year old decide what to do with his life when his program is so full with activities that they hardly find time for their own personal needs, as stupid as the parents and teachers think they are. We are raised to become adults and most of us forgot to live as a child. I am 24 and i found out last year that nothing i did the last 10 years was my choice. They brainwashed us about almost everything , and I always felt I would be unhappy if I didnt have a decree in major studies or shit like that. So i just decided to stop being a puppet and finally take my choices on my own. And yes I am happy with the 450 I earn and I study what I want and live my life as I wanted it.

So I don't know what is worse. to have educated unhappy "kids" or kids that left school but at least live their lives with their parents money (if they can afford it and don't mind) ? and don't tell me they won't be unhappy with the unemployment in greece and far worse with all the requirements the current system set upon us.

I am not trying to say all those people that write these stuff are wrong, or that the actions of those neets are good , but I don't think we have many people dropping school in greece and the tiny numbers that do leave school are just not so smart to finish it , or can't afford it and have to work.

Let's just not try to categorize people for a change because that's exactly what drive us to be "unsocialized" , unhappy and low self-confident.

(btw don't laugh on my english but It's years since i had my diploma in english and I am not exactly doing the best practice i could)


Ki epeidi den nomizo oti katafera na ekfraso tin apopsi mou akribos opos tin i8ela logo agglikon , to mono pou exo na po sta ellinika einai oti mas pernane mia nootropia kai ena tropo zois pou kaka ta psemata den ginetai na ton exoun oloi. kai einai krima na einai tosoi an8rwpoi distixismenoi epeidi den mporoun na exoun auto pou to sistima 8eorei sosto . Den ginete na ginoume oloi epistimones ki oute ginete na imaste oloi plousioi. An tous problimatizei toso auth h neolaia sto eksoteriko tote as katsoun na skeftoun poso meridio eu8inis exoun ta idia ta krati gia auth thn katastasi. Ego ksero pos exo perasei apo toulaxiston 10 diaforetika sxoleia (simperilambanomenou gimnasiou, likeiou tei kai iek) kai pote ma pote kanenas den ta paratise epeidi bariotan apla kai i8ele na zisei me ta lefta tou mpampa. I ellada prospa8ei peismatika na deiksei oti antisteketai se toso kakes epirroes "lifestyle" kai pragmatika elpizo na min spasoun oi antoxes tis.

[pankration]

Originally Posted by Neeshka
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slackers? kids are what society make them be. at least in greece we are getting bombed from every location - especially home and television - that the perfect life is earning 2k a month having a nice car, nice house and ofc a high spot in an office. but hello? how can a not so intelligent , maybe even lazy 15 year old decide what to do with his life when his program is so full with activities that they hardly find time for their own personal needs, as stupid as the parents and teachers think they are. We are raised to become adults and most of us forgot to live as a child. I am 24 and i found out last year that nothing i did the last 10 years was my choice. They brainwashed us about almost everything , and I always felt I would be unhappy if I didnt have a decree in major studies or shit like that. So i just decided to stop being a puppet and finally take my choices on my own. And yes I am happy with the 450 I earn and I study what I want and live my life as I wanted it.

So I don't know what is worse. to have educated unhappy "kids" or kids that left school but at least live their lives with their parents money (if they can afford it and don't mind) ? and don't tell me they won't be unhappy with the unemployment in greece and far worse with all the requirements the current system set upon us.

I am not trying to say all those people that write these stuff are wrong, or that the actions of those neets are good , but I don't think we have many people dropping school in greece and the tiny numbers that do leave school are just not so smart to finish it , or can't afford it and have to work.

Let's just not try to categorize people for a change because that's exactly what drive us to be "unsocialized" , unhappy and low self-confident.

(btw don't laugh on my english but It's years since i had my diploma in english and I am not exactly doing the best practice i could)


Ki epeidi den nomizo oti katafera na ekfraso tin apopsi mou akribos opos tin i8ela logo agglikon , to mono pou exo na po sta ellinika einai oti mas pernane mia nootropia kai ena tropo zois pou kaka ta psemata den ginetai na ton exoun oloi. kai einai krima na einai tosoi an8rwpoi distixismenoi epeidi den mporoun na exoun auto pou to sistima 8eorei sosto . Den ginete na ginoume oloi epistimones ki oute ginete na imaste oloi plousioi. An tous problimatizei toso auth h neolaia sto eksoteriko tote as katsoun na skeftoun poso meridio eu8inis exoun ta idia ta krati gia auth thn katastasi. Ego ksero pos exo perasei apo toulaxiston 10 diaforetika sxoleia (simperilambanomenou gimnasiou, likeiou tei kai iek) kai pote ma pote kanenas den ta paratise epeidi bariotan apla kai i8ele na zisei me ta lefta tou mpampa. I ellada prospa8ei peismatika na deiksei oti antisteketai se toso kakes epirroes "lifestyle" kai pragmatika elpizo na min spasoun oi antoxes tis.

:filaki3: Your English is fine. Hell, it's ten times better than my Greek. As a parent of a son only a few years younger than yourself I truly understand what you're saying. All I can say to the older readers on this forum and to you younger ones who will in turn be parents is that it's not wrong to motivate your child; it's not wrong to encourage them to pursue an interest; but it is wrong to live vicariously through your child. It's also wrong to dominate the child's life to the extent that you submerge their personality. In effect, it's a delicate balancing act for parents, so cut us a bit of slack...please. I wonder if you will feel the same way when you're 34? The older I get the more I realize that my father was right. It might happen to you.
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[Neeshka]

i do realize many of his deeds where correct. but the way they true to pass their thoughts to us is wrong. thats all I am saying.