Gul receives Ecumenical Patriarch

[Ellinas]

New Turkish President Abdullah Gul, until recently the country's foreign minister, on Tuesday received Ecumenical Patriarch Vartholomeos (Bartholomew I), with the latter later describing his meeting with Turkey's head of state as "satisfactory" and "positive".

The Patriarch said he raised the problems being faced by the Istanbul-based Ecumenical Patriarch and asked for their solution on the part of the Turkish state.

ANA

[Ara]

Gul and the government has no power you know who has the real power.

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by Ara
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Gul and the government has no power you know.

I guess you mean that Turkey is ruled by the Kemalist military parastate. Tha's something true, but I think if the government of Turkey acquires the will to protect the Patriarchate, I believe they could take some initiatives that would help. And right now I don't think they have the will.

[Ara]

Originally Posted by Ellinas
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I guess you mean that Turkey is ruled by the Kemalist military parastate. Tha's something true, but I think if the government of Turkey acquires the will to protect the Patriarchate, I believe they could take some initiatives that would help. And right now I don't think they have the will.

Yes thats what im saying. You have a point though, but what i know is neither army nor kemalists will let the recogniation of Patriarchate’s Ecumenic statues. Thats Turkey.:nah:

[gmellos]

Unfortunately nothing will come from this! The Turks want to eliminate everything "non-turkish" from Asia Minor! They claim that they are the decendants of the Hetitites, Trojans, Cappodoseans, etc... I heard that they even claim Horses from the Constantinopean Hippodrome that are on top of St Mark's in Venice! I prey to God that I am wrong and that Gul wants to work with the Patriarchate!!!

[Ellinas]

Originally Posted by gmellos
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Unfortunately nothing will come from this! The Turks want to eliminate everything "non-turkish" from Asia Minor! They claim that they are the decendants of the Hetitites, Trojans, Cappodoseans, etc... I heard that they even claim Horses from the Constantinopean Hippodrome that are on top of St Mark's in Venice! I prey to God that I am wrong and that Gul wants to work with the Patriarchate!!!

So far I haven't seen any Turk claiming that he descents from the Hetitte or Trojans. These are some theories of Western "scientists". We are used on pathetic theories by the Western "scientists" so I don't need to say more. Just look at Afrocentrism, Nordicism or Indo-Europeanism.

For sure a part of the inhabitants of modern-day Turkey descent from old peoples of Asia Minor, as well as from Greeks, but we are talking about the ethnic Turks.

The Turkish nationalism is based on Turanism and pan-Turkism. However these ideas can't stand. Except the fact that Turkey is geographically far from Turan, I am saying this because besides the fact that most modern-day Turks have Turkish as their first language, ethnically Turkey is not a homogenous country as the Turanids are a small part of today's Turkish population.

This was the reason Kemalist nationalim doesn't not focus on Turanism, but it is European-oriented. Kemalist nationalism wants to present all the inhabitants of Turkey as parts of one nation, an Eastern Mediterannean nation. Kemalists declare their selves Turks with a nationalist passion, but they don't make any serious reference to Turan. So it would not be surprising if the Western theories mentioned above would find a "seedbed" in Kemalist nationalism. But from what I know so far they did not.

Back on topic, you are right that the Kemalist regime wants to exterminate anything non-Turkish from Asia Minor. So far they manage to exterminate a part, but there is still a long they for them. The question is: can they? Is the Kemalist Turkism culture so strong that will be able to exterminate all the other (not only Greek) cultural remnants in Asia Minor? Because force and violence is not enough sometimes while culture is proved stronger.