Alexander the Great New Research

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by gorgona

I guess once he was mummified, they could have moved him anywhere. I think that the story about Caesar breaking his nose off is probably a myth, though. But if he was brought back to Greece, do you think that they finally let him rest in Gortynia?

I don't know, I always took the Romans as bumbling buffoons at times, but it does sound unbelievable though. Who knows what they finally did with the body. But you can imagine a lot of people wanted it. He really was revered as a god.

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by gorgona

But didn’t he die in Babylon or somewhere near there? Wouldn’t they have cremated him there?

I don't think they cremated him at all being that they were following the Egyptian custom of mummification.

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos

You have a point aswell but I dont think his loyal soldiers who opposed foreign customs would allow such a thing.

Yes, but it could all have been for show. The generals left behind had to now rule over these places. Mummifying him might also have been something to keep the people in line? They were still afraid of Alexander even in death. But I am pretty sure though and that there are written accounts of him being mummified and not cremated.

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by Prokomenos

You are talking about the Albanians. The Albanians claim to be Athenians and Peloponnesians lmao!

They have already claimed to be Peloponnesians then? is right!

[gorgona]

Originally Posted by Hellenika

I don't think they cremated him at all being that they were following the Egyptian custom of mummification.

But he didn’t die in Egypt. I don’t remember reading that the Babylonians mummified their dead.

[Epikourios37x]

The main reason why Alexander's remains could have been brought to Gortynia is because in that vicinity of ancient Gortynos is Mount Lykaios...the birthplace of Zeus Lykaios (the Enlightened One). He believed he was the Son of Zeus. (Also he was confirmed to be his son by the Oracle at Delphi and the Oracle at the Ammoneion of Zeus Ammon...who was the Egyptian equivalent of Zeus Lykaios). If you read all of his biographical accounts from credible ancient sources, Alexander wanted to be buried in the land of his Father, when he died. The ancient Hellenes knew of Mount Lykaios as being the holy vicinity of the spirit of Zeus...that is why the Arcadians called it also Mount Olympos. That is why Alexander went to Gortynos at age 20...Gortynos at that time was a mere village. But he went there because Mount Lykaion is in close distance of the city and acknowledged himself as a Pelasgian/Arkadian...in which Pelasgos was believed to have been a Son of Zeus himself.

All in all, if you connect the dots, there is a strong argument for his remains to have been brought back to Greece, especially to Gortynos. If I could, I would post my 80 page plus research.

[Prokomenos]

Originally Posted by Epikourios37x

The main reason why Alexander's remains could have been brought to Gortynia is because in that vicinity of ancient Gortynos is Mount Lykaios...the birthplace of Zeus Lykaios (the Enlightened One). He believed he was the Son of Zeus. (Also he was confirmed to be his son by the Oracle at Delphi and the Oracle at the Ammoneion of Zeus Ammon...who was the Egyptian equivalent of Zeus Lykaios). If you read all of his biographical accounts from credible ancient sources, Alexander wanted to be buried in the land of his Father, when he died. The ancient Hellenes knew of Mount Lykaios as being the holy vicinity of the spirit of Zeus...that is why the Arcadians called it also Mount Olympos. That is why Alexander went to Gortynos at age 20...Gortynos at that time was a mere village. But he went there because Mount Lykaion is in close distance of the city and acknowledged himself as a Pelasgian/Arkadian...in which Pelasgos was believed to have been a Son of Zeus himself.

All in all, if you connect the dots, there is a strong argument for his remains to have been brought back to Greece, especially to Gortynos. If I could, I would post my 80 page plus research.

Im definately not an expert on the subject and I dont see why they wouldnt bring his body or (ashes) back to Greece like gorgona said. Maybe even brought to and buried exactly where you said.

[Hellenika]

Originally Posted by gorgona

But he didn’t die in Egypt. I don’t remember reading that the Babylonians mummified their dead.

I think they brought him back to his city, Alexandria. But I will look it up now to see for sure.

[gorgona]

Originally Posted by Epikourios37x

The main reason why Alexander's remains could have been brought to Gortynia is because in that vicinity of ancient Gortynos is Mount Lykaios...the birthplace of Zeus Lykaios (the Enlightened One). He believed he was the Son of Zeus. (Also he was confirmed to be his son by the Oracle at Delphi and the Oracle at the Ammoneion of Zeus Ammon...who was the Egyptian equivalent of Zeus Lykaios). If you read all of his biographical accounts from credible ancient sources, Alexander wanted to be buried in the land of his Father, when he died. The ancient Hellenes knew of Mount Lykaios as being the holy vicinity of the spirit of Zeus...that is why the Arcadians called it also Mount Olympos. That is why Alexander went to Gortynos at age 20...Gortynos at that time was a mere village. But he went there because Mount Lykaion is in close distance of the city and acknowledged himself as a Pelasgian/Arkadian...in which Pelasgos was believed to have been a Son of Zeus himself.

All in all, if you connect the dots, there is a strong argument for his remains to have been brought back to Greece, especially to Gortynos. If I could, I would post my 80 page plus research.

That makes sense. But if his remains were removed from Alexandria in the
5th Century CE (annoying PC term) did they still believe in the Olympian gods? Wasn’t Greece already Christianized?

[Hellenika]

I didnt know he wanted to be thrown in the river! Here is some info I found really fast, it also mentions the broken nose incident.


Alexander the Great, dying at Babylon on the banks of the Euphrates River in June of 323 B.C., was explicit in his last wish. He wanted his body thrown into the river so that his corpse would disappear. In that way, Alexander reasoned, his survivors might perpetuate the myth that he was whisked off to heaven in order to spend eternity at the side of the god Ammon, who had allegedly fathered him. His generals, not respecting the wish, concocted elaborate plans for his burial. According to one ancient account, it took two years from the time of Alexander's death to design and construct a suitable funerary cart in which his mummified body could be conveyed to its tomb. En route to its destination, whether Macedonia or elsewhere is moot, the funerary cart and its entourage were met in Syria by Ptolemy, a Macedonian general in Alexander's army. Ptolemy, who in 305 B.C. would proclaim himself king of Egypt as Ptolemy I Soter and inaugurate the Ptolemaic Dynasty, diverted the body to Egypt where it was buried in a tomb at Memphis.

Subsequently, in the late fourth or early third century B.C. (whether during the reign of Ptolemy I Soter or that of his son and successor, Ptolemy II Philadelphus, is debated) the body of Alexander was removed from its tomb in Memphis and transported to Alexandria where it was reburied. At a still later date, Ptolemy Philopator (222/21-205 B.C.) placed the bodies of his dynastic predecessors as well as that of Alexander, all of which had apparently been buried separately, in a communal mausoleum in Alexandria. By now, Alexander had had at least three tombs in two Egyptian cities. Whenever someone asks where the tomb of Alexander the Great is located, I assume the query refers to the third and last tomb, although admittedly the question might apply equally to his tomb at Memphis or to his first Alexandrian tomb, neither of which has ever been found.

The literary tradition is clear that the third and last tomb was located at the crossroads of the major north-south and east-west arteries of Alexandria. Octavian, the future Roman emperor Augustus, visited Alexandria shortly after the suicide of Cleopatra VII in 30 B.C. He is said to have viewed the body of Alexander, placing flowers on the tomb and a golden diadem upon Alexander's mummified head. The last recorded visit to the tomb was made by the Roman emperor Caracalla in A.D. 215. The tomb was probably damaged and perhaps even looted during the political disturbances that ravaged Alexandria during the reign of Aurelian shortly after A.D. 270. By the fourth century A.D., the tomb s location was no longer known, if one can trust the accounts of several of the early Church Fathers. Thereafter, creditable Arab commentators, including Ibn Abdel Hakam (A.D. 871), Al-Massoudi (A.D. 944), and Leo the African (sixteenth century A.D.) all report having seen the tomb of Alexander, but do not specify its exact location.