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| GR Member  | Why I am proud and humbled to be a Hellenic… Hope it's in the right forum section? and want to share it with you all on this great forum. ------------------------------------------------------------------ "Greeks Rule?"....I am both proud and humbled to be one...Greek that is...but yes they do!!!! The Greek language is approx. 7,250 years old...... From Mathematics, {science}, Geometry to Philosophy, from Geology to Palaeontology, Poetry to Architecture, Aesthetics and art; insurance company names: Asteron, to the names of motor vehicles: Scorpion, Sigma, Astra, Echo, Magna, Apollo, Stratos, Kalon, Trios, Astina, Mira, Mentor, Triumph, Odyssey, Olympic Classic, Neon, Calais, Micra, Metra, Proton, Lexus, and the Focus. From the Zodiac signs in Astrology to Zoology from Anthropology to Astronomy, from the "Apollo" space Program, History & Geography, Physics, from Meter to Meteor and {Linkin' Park's album} "Meteor" from Glossary to Bibliography to the names of Stars and Planets, from Idol to Idiosyncrasy, from Psychologist, Psychiatrist, Podiatrist, Physiotherapist, Chiropodist, Neurologist to Cardiologist to ECG (Electrocardiograph) in medicine to the Greek language which is found in all continents of this Planet...in {Japan, in China, in Indonesia, in South and North America}, in Europe and in {Africa}, from Mesopotamia of Micronesia to Melanasia to Polynesia.....Greeks are truly the "citizens of the world." From the Bible to Catholic, Orthodox, Apostolic, Christadelphians, Christians, to Mass, Eulogy, liturgy, Eucharist, Christ, canons, ecclesiastical, to Apocalypse to Apocrypha, from Comedy, Drama, Satyr, Theatre, Music, from the Telephone to the Radio....Greek and the Greeks can be found in every sphere of human existence...Antarctica to the Arctic Circle......all Greek words!!!!! From Democracy to Nan technology, from Marsailles to Syracuse to Naples to Calabria to Sicily, Latinus who founded Latium (Latin) was the son of Odysseus and Circe) no wonder Julius {Caesar} maintained he was from Aphrodite's lineage and Marc Antony maintained he was of the lineage of Hercules - the {Italians} have a saying that applies to the themselves and the Greeks - "Una fatsa, una ratsa...one face, one race) from Alexandria in Egypt, from Ambouria & Neapolis in {Spain} to the Yunnan province in China, to the Kalash in n. Afghanistan (who claim heritage from the Greeks of Alexander the Great, from Basil to Daphne, Thyme and Mint, to Pharmaceuticals to Phantoms, from Pyrric Victory, Pandora's Box, Achilles Heal, Hoi Polloi, Elysian fields, Kyrie Eleison, Hippocratic Oath, Oedipus complex, Trojan horse, Troy, Platonic love, Herculean task, Eureka, "I Am the Alpha and the Omega" (Jesus Christ)....and many, many, many more...too many to mention....millions... From Alexander, Alexis, Ambrose, Andrew, Basil (Bill), Christopher, (Chris) Dimitri (Jimmy) Dionysius (Dion & Dennis), Eugene, George, Gregory, Jason, Leander, Homer, Leon, Leonides, Nickolas (Nikita, Nick, Nicola, Nicole), Nicodemus, Peter, Philander, Philemon, Philip, Stephen, Theodore, Theophilus, Timothy, Theodosius, Odysseus (Ulysses), Aristotle, Eleftherios (Terry), Konstandinos (Kosta, Con, Dino, Constantine).... From Agatha, Agnes, Alexandra, Althea, Angelica, Angela, Ariana, (Ariadne, Dona), Barbara, Cassandra, Catharine, Chloe, Christina, Christiana, Cynthia, Delia, Zeta, Theodora (Dorothy), Eudora, Eunice, Euphemia, Evangelina, Helen, Irene, Lydia, Margaret, Olympia, Penelope (Penny), Philomena, Sophia, Sophronia, Urania, Zenovia (Genevieve), Zok, Theodosia, Dimitra (Demi, Dimity), Aphrodite, Anastasia, Anthea, Pandora, Moira, Mia, Nina, Nia, Leah, Pia, Ada, Ida....... "If you are looking for a word for anything...the Greeks will have one......" ......like the faternities and sororities in America: Phi Beta Kappa, Alpha Chi Rho, Delta Kappa Epsilon, Delta Upsilon, Omega Psi Phi, Sigma Pi, Zeta Psi, etc. P.S. There are over 50,000 Greek words in the English language (even more in the French language and other Europian languages) with contains approx. 500,000 words, the Greek language contains 70,000,000 words including, derivatives, medical and scientific..... A Slave is he who cannot speak his thoughts. Euripides The word "Greek" is not so much a term of birth as of mentality, and is applied to a common culture rather than a common descent. Isocrates "If I am a Poet, I owe it to the air of Greece" - Lord Byron "We are all Greeks" - Pery Bysshe Shelley and last but not least, this one from my ancestor, Alexander the I, (Grandfather of Alexander the Great), "I Would Not Like To See Greece Enslaved, As I Am A Greek too, of this Ancient Nation......." "BRING BACK THE GREEKS." "The one and only antidote to the spiritual toxins poisoning our civilization today, is a return to Greek scholarship. Bring back the Greeks!" says Bruce S. Thornton, professor of Classical and Anthropological Studies in the Department of Foreign Languages and Philology, at the University of California at Fresno. This interview is, in effect, an alarm being sounded by another "Hellene" (in the true sense of the word). More and more such men and women are coming to the realization that the millenniums-old "cultural capital" bequeathed to us by the Greeks must not be dissipated: It must be cherished, replenished, and used to save humanity from destroying itself. Hellenism is the only "ism" that is universally accepted and sought after by every living being on this planet. No other method of ordering society has had such world-wide appeal. "HELLENISM WILL NEVER DIE" says Classics professor Victor Hanson, who with his colleague and fellow Classics professor, John Heath, discuss their book Who Killed Homer? with Davlos correspondent, Nancy Biska. "[Hellenism] is the first and last hope for Mankind. ... We are so fortunate that those 'relatively poor' Greeks of the 8th to the 4th centuries B.C. developed such a brilliant and indestructible civilization. ... [It is] the one and only institution in the world under which we can all unite while adhering to the principles and values of the West that they bequeathed to us. We are all Greeks now, whether we want it or not!" ALPHABET & LANGUAGE Frederico Sagredo's Letter to the Spanish Minister of Culture & Education (NEW), wherein, as a distinguished professor of Greek, and president of the Hellenic Academy of the Basque Region of Spain, he restates his demand that ancient Greek culture, language, and civilization be taught to the young of Spain, and then, using the Spanish model, to all Europeans. Like-minded Members of the European Parliament (M.E.P.) also brought a proposal to the floor in Brussels -- on four separate occasions -- that ancient Greek be adopted as the official language of the European Union. It should be noted that a proposal may only be brought four times before it is tabled. Hebrew is Greek is the title of the book that almost disappeared from the face of the earth after its publication in 1982. In it, the author, Joseph Yahuda, lawyer, linguist, and researcher, convincingly demonstrates that the Hebrew language is, in Yahuda's own words, nothing more than "Greek wearing a mask." His unbiased search for the truth qualifies Mr. Yahuda to be considered a Hellene himself, as this designation is, according to Isocrates' definition, more a quality of character and mentality than it is of blood. Hellenic Quest is the name of CNN's web page where Apple Computer Company's new program, designed to teach the ancient Greek language electronically, will soon be featured. Initially, instruction will be offered to learners whose native language is English or Spanish. The course will be accompanied by sound and graphics. Apple executive, John Stalik, in announcing the launching of this new product, said: "We decided to promote the learning of the Greek language worldwide because our [global] community requires a tool which will encourage and enable creativity, will allow the infusion of new ideas, and will offer the ability to absorb concepts and knowledge that have been beyond the ability of most people to grasp till now. In other words, the manifestation of an ecumenical trend to return to the spirit and language of the ancient Greeks." In a related development, British entrepreneurs encourage their upper echelon management personnel to learn ancient Greek because of its unique importance in the management and organization of their operations. This was the conclusion reached by British specialists, who found that: "The Greek language imposes rationality and increases leadership skills. This is why it is such a valuable tool not only in the areas of communications and technology, but in organization and management." The unique attributes of the ancient Greek language are what prompted the University of California at Irvine to codify its riches in its now renowned Thesaurus Linguae Graecae. The brainchild of Professor of Classics, Marianne MacDonald, and made possible by the Ibycus system of David W. Packard, the TLG contains 6,000,000 word-forms [lektikoi tipoi] of the Greek language, whereas English has a total of 490,000 words and 300,000 technical terms ... The TLG contains 8000 literary works,.. and the effort continues [to publish more works] with subsidies provided by the American government. [This while our "grekili" politicians have succeeded in the virtual elimination of the teaching of ancient Greek in the "Greek" school system. Ed.] Responding to the question of why so much money should be spent upon the preservation and teaching of the ancient Greek language, distinguished professor Bruner [who worked on the project] replied: "It has to do with the language of our ancestors, and our ability to establish contact with them will enhance our culture."... The interest of scientists in the fields of Information Technology and Computer Science in the Greek language stems from the fact that: "The advanced technology of super computers will only accept the Greek language, as it is the only language capable of the comprehensive transmission of meaning." All other languages are considered to be merely "semiotic," whereas Greek is "noematic." A noematic language is one in which the "sign," i.e., the word, has a protogenic relationship to the object, situation, or idea that it is expressing. A semiotic language is one in which the "sign," or word, signifies the object, situation, or idea because common usage and consent have determined that that is what it means. In conventional languages, a word has been designated to mean something; in the Greek language, there exists an aetiological relationship between the object and the word, something non-existent in all other languages. The most advanced data systems, "Gnosis," and "Neuton," replicate the word-forms of the Greek language totally, and in perfect diagrammatical representations, something impossible to do with other languages. This is because Greek words have a mathematical structure that allows for their harmonious and geometrical depiction. Especially useful are such Greek combining word forms as "micro," "mega," "scope," etc. Computer scientists consider the Greek language "limitless." In other words, only in the Greek language are there no boundaries, and that's what makes it indispensable to the new disciplines of Information Technology, Communications, Electronic Cybernetics, and others. In such sciences and disciplines, only the Greek language gives them the necessary noematic expressions they require, and without which it will be impossible for science to advance. Ibycus, Gnosis, Neuton: the most advanced data systems programs in the world; from Vladivostok to California, from the Artic to the South Pole, only the Greek language can meet all of their demanding requirements. Source. Davlos. October 2002. pp. 16197-8. Translation by staff. Emphasis added. Konstantinos Efstathios-Georganas' article on the book Hebrew is Greek, by Joseph Yahuda, offers convincing proof that although Yahuda proves conclusively that "90% of the Hebrew language is of Greek origin," had he continued his research, he would have discovered that in actual fact the percentage is much higher. In this article, Georganas shows that many words and symbols that are still believed to be of Semitic origin are borrowings from the Greek. Phoenician Deception The evidence proving that the "Roman" alphabet we use today is, in fact, a Greek invention is overwhelming. In spite of this, however, the myth that this alphabet was invented by the Semitic Phoenicians is still being taught in the schools. Why? "Homo Erectus Trigliensis ... ": Our Macedonian Ancestor. An account of the heroic struggle of Dr. Aris Poulianos who tells us that "...after decades in Macedonia, and more specifically in the Cave of the 'Archanthropus of Petralona,' in Halkidiki, I brought to light ground-breaking proofs of the existence of the oldest erect and intelligent European man ever discovered. Archanthropus lived more than 700,000 years ago; he originated here, in Northern Greece and the Northern Aegean, and he represents the very beginning of the family of man. Besides Archanthropus, I discovered the oldest traces of fire, over 1 million years old, and, most recently, the tibia [shin bone] of a standing man who lived approximately 11 million years ago [Homo erectus trigliensis]. My finds have been verified by eleven of the most prestigious universities in the world, and have been certified and endorsed at ... two international anthropological conventions ... where Archanthropus was declared to be the oldest intelligent inhabitant of our continent. ... RELIGION The conversion of a savage to Christianity is the conversion of Christianity to savagery. George Bernard Shaw A people that thinks dinner consists of eating a deli sandwich from Arby's while watching Friends [on TV] is neither Christian nor civilized. Dr. Thomas Fleming America's Debt to Greece and Christianity is the title of this quick study showing the enormous influence Religion and Hellenism have had on the creation of America. The usual distortion is that the Founding Fathers of that once-great and universally admired land were mostly influenced by English, French, and ancient Roman political thinkers, with a comment or two concerning Polybius and Aristotle thrown in. What is seldom mentioned is that these English, French, and Roman writers were, in most instances, merely parroting what they'd learned from the Greeks. Read Locke, Montaigne, Sallust or Cicero for instance, and you will be amazed at how many times they rely on and refer to the Greeks to support or prove their arguments. Just as the Fathers of the Church used Greek philosophy, history, and poetry to bolster their arguments to support and spread Christianity, the Founding Fathers of America gave the world the kind of nation that the Greeks had envisioned, written about, longed for, and created a long time ago. Most of the Founders knew this, and, in making their famous choice between "Athens and Jerusalem," chose Athens and Jerusalem. That is, the power and creative dynamism of a free people living under a Democratic Republic, together with a devotion to God through our unique Christian faith. A reading of John 12. 20 - 24 says: "Now among those who went up to worship at the festival were some Greeks. They came to Philip, who was from Bethsaida in Galilee, and said to him, 'Sir, we wish to see Jesus.' Philip went and told Andrew; then Andrew and Philip went and told Jesus, who answered them by saying: 'The hour has come for the Son of Man to be glorified.'" But according to Professor E. Prokos (Alpha Ena. 3 May '02), his research in the Vatican Library in 1974 showed that Christ's words did not stop there. Professor Prokos wrote and lectured throughout Greece on how -- according to a manuscript of Church historian Eusebius of Caesarea (A.D. 263-339) that he discovered in the Vatican -- Jesus continued with the following: '[For] Hellas is where the seed of humanity was first sown; proven to be a heavenly plant and a divine creation. A place where thought was facilitated through the use of science." [Eelthen ee ora ina doxasthi o Yios tou Anthropou. Ellas gar moni anthropogenni, fyton Ouranion kai vlastyma Theon ikrivomenon. Logismon apotiktousa oikeioumenon epistimin.] That last part, according to Professor Prokos, had been purposely excised from the New Testament by the Latin Church. We are pleased to see that this little-known distortion is beginning once again to get the attention it deserves. SCIENCE & TECHNOLOGY Archimedes Greek mathematician and inventive genius. Cement used in the construction of a 3000 year-old ancient Greek cistern is of a better quality than cement used today. Christophoros Columbus: A Byzantine Prince from Chios, Greece, is the title of this book by Ruth G. Durlacher-Wolper, founder-Director of the New World museum, San Salvador, Bahamas, and Chief Executive Officer of the New World Foundation. In this well-documented study, the author presents "a new theory clarifying the identity of [the renowned mariner]." He was also an accomplished geographer and map-maker, as well as an explorer and adventurer. Eratosthenes measured the circumference of the earth with amazing accuracy by making two assumptions: a) that the earth is round, and that the sun's ray's are essentially parallel. Pyramids are to be found in Greece today. According to the most advanced dating methods, they are at least as old, if not older, than the pyramids of Egypt. A TGR staff member visited the pyramid located in the village of Helliniko, in the Peloponnesus, and drew on that experience, as well as other sources, to write a report. Also read the article on the same page about "The Stepped Pyramid at Thebes." The Heliocentric System (NEW) is displayed in the tile floor of the central tholos altar of the Temple of Asclepius at Epidauros. This mosaic shows the sun as being at the center of seven revolving planets. It is currently on public view at the museum at Epidauros. The fact that the earth was round and that it revolved around the sun was known to the ancient Greeks. In his recently published book, Aristarchus the Samian's work on the size and formations of the Sun and Moon [Peri Megethou kai Apostimaton Iliou kai Selinis tou Aristarchou tou Samiou], mathematician and writer, Evangelos Spandagou, displays a copy of a page of the original manuscript of the book, De Revolutionibus Orbium Celestium, by the Polish astronomer, Copernicus, where his debt to the Greek astronomer (Aristarchus) is acknowledged. Unfortunately, Copernicus struck out the lines referring to this in the manuscript just before the book went to the printer. The acknowledgement and the lines crossing it out are plainly visible in the book, and constitute another example of the glory of Greek achievement being usurped by lesser men for their own unworthy aggrandizement.. SPORTS Okulpiaj|r >lmor The Olympic Hymn Aqwa_o pme}la ah\mato, acm] pat]qa Ancient immortal spirit, pure father Tou yqa_ou, tou lec\kou jai ta akghimo} Of the beautiful, the great and the true, Jat]ba, vameq~sou, ji astqax ed~ p]qa Descend, appear, and emblaze this place Stg d|na tgr dij^r sou cgr ji t ouqamo}. With the glory of your own earth and sky. Sto dq|lo jai sto p\kela jai sto kih\qi In the race, the grappling, and the toss, Stym eucem~m ac~mym k\lxe tgm oql^ Kindle the impulse in all noble contests, Jai le ta al\qamto stev\myse jkym\qi Crown with the perennial wreath, Jai sideq]mio pk\se jai anio to joql_. And fashion the steely and worthy body. J\lpoi, boum\ jai p]kaca v]ccoum laf_ sou Plains, mountains, and seas glow in your presence Sam ]mar keujop|qvuqor l]car ma|r Like some great clear porphyrous shrine, Jai tq]wei stom ma|m ed~ pqosjumgt^r sou, And every nation hurries here to your temple Aqwa_om pme}l ah\matom, j\he ka|r. In supplication, ancient immortal spirit. Jyst^r Pakal\r (1859-1942) Costis Palamas (1859-1942) Translation from original Greek by: Sotiris Sotiropoulos, Canada )2001. All Rights Reserved. ----------------------- Athletics According to the Ancient Greeks. The Athletic Ideal was a virtue (arete) much prized by the ancient Greeks. Though there may have been exceptions, this ideal was strictly upheld by the vast majority of the participants in their many festivals featuring competitive sports. The most important of these was the Olympic Festival, which occurred every four years, and was an expression of a value system which placed good, clean, sportsmanship, as an educational tool for the young, above merely winning. Unless the modern Olympics are once again invested with the spirit of the ancient Olympmas agsn, and brought back permanently to Greece, they will continue on their present path of becoming nothing more than the athletic manifestation of "drive-in churches," "TV-weddings," and "reality-show-entertainme nt." Disneyland-style commercialism, and the "bread and circus" atmosphere of the Colosseum, have absolutely nothing to do with the Athletic Ideal demonstrated in the Olympics of ancient Greece. Hockey was played in ancient Greece, together with soccer and the ancient form of golf!!!!. Even the "hot cross bun" was an ancient Greek invention, the circular bun representing the moon and the cross representing the four quarters.... WOMEN Agnothiki, a woman doctor of Athens. Women doctors -- something not even imaginable in the rest of the ancient world -- were not considered an uncommon phenomenon in ancient Greece. Even in Greece today, close to fifty percent of the medical doctors are women, and no one thinks this to be in the least bit troubling or unusual. Perhaps the reason is that educated women in modern Greece somehow manage to remain completely feminine, and one finds, when conversing with them, that they consider the radical feminists in America to be rather funny and pitiful creatures who've "lost their way" when it comes to the matter of their true natures. In this article we highlight an incident which we found to be informative because,1) it tells an interesting story about a woman doctor in Athens, 2) it shows that women doctors sometimes had to contend with the prejudices of their male colleagues (something that women in America and Europe had to put up with right up to the 20th century), and 3) that the law courts in Athens could and did dispense real justice, without letting the sex of the interested parties influence their decisions. We also mention a sampling of 20 or so other female doctors, and challenge our readers to let us know about any other country or place in the world which -- from circa 1400 B.C. to circa 1400 A.D.-- could boast hospitals, sanatoriums, and doctors of both sexes who were formally trained in the art, science, and practice of medicine. Hypatia. A great scientist, learned in mathematics, astronomy, and philosophy. A woman who should be the role model of modern "feminists," or anyone -- male or female -- who admires those qualities which separate humanity from the brute beasts and give meaning and dignity to our lives. Sappho. The "greatest of the lyric poets" of ancient Greece was born (ca.612 B.C.) into an aristocratic caste on the island of Lesbos. Sappho -- pronounced Sap FSE, (Psapphs, in her own dialect) -- was married to a rich man from Andros. Her world was one of girlhood, marriage, motherhood, and love. Much of her poetry was associated with a religious purpose, centered on the worship of a female deity -- Artemis, Hera, or Aphrodite. She also wrote songs (poetry) for women's festivals, wedding celebrations (epithalamia), and on the poignancy of parting when one of her students had to leave to assume her wifely responsibilities. An ancient papyrus published in 1974 states: "[S]he, in peace and quiet, educat[ed] the best women not only of the local families, but from all over Ionia." How many university students today (or even university graduates for that matter) know anything at all about this remarkable woman? How many would be able to recite even one stanza of her poetry? The answer to that question would say a great deal about the kind of educational priorities in a given society, and would provide a cultural barometer by which they could be measured. THE HELLENIC LANGUAGE In this webpage of ours we'll present you with the latest evidence proving the ancestry of Hellenic language (as a consequence that the alphabet IS NOT a Phoenician invention) as well as some of its unknown features (such as i.e. that there is a great similarity of ancient Greek with a) the language of the Hawaii Islands inhabitants and the language of Ketsua - inhabitants of the Peruvian Andes). The most important of the facts that prove the ancestry of the Hellenic language over the rest, are the following : the discovery of the linear writings A' and B' by A. EVANS at Crete in 1947 and the decryption of linear B' in 1952.. the discovery of the Phaestus Disk in pressed-type iconographic writing system. the discovery of a wooden plate inscribed with linear A' at the Dispilio of Kastoria which currently constitutes the most ancient sample of writing in the world. The Hellenic language is the most perfect human achievement in the linguistic field. And this, of course, is not incidental. Because 'the thought of a people is perhaps more directly expressed in the structure of language than in any other of his creations' (Kitto). This language, therefore, is the creation of people with superior thought and mental consistency. The qualities characterizing the language of the Hellenes, also characterize their being. Proof is that the same qualities (clarity, providence, power, expressional wealth etc) are found in their mental and artistic creations. The inevitable conclusion is that the Greek language wasn't brought by some semi-savage tribe from its 'northern mountains' or 'the northern plains'. (Note of "UHH" - as the supporters of the indoeuropean origin of the Greek language claim-). It existed ab initio and developed in the same place for thousands of years. Its an evolution product of millennia. And the language that the Achaeans spoke or wrote was the continuation of the Pelasgian language and writing. This language, initially (Protohellenic) became diversified with the spread of Aegeans (Protohellenes) in vast (and distant from the metropolis) regions. Thus arose the multiple Greek dialects and the relative to it languages of other nations (Iapetic homoglossy=Hellenic originated languages). As far as the writing is concerned, Sleeman and Evans proved that it was in use at the Aegean at least from 2,500 B.C. and the latest researches (inscriptions at Ithaca's Pilakata and Dispilio of Kastoria) raised it to the sixth millenium (5,250 BC). Symbols - letters from protocycladit jar of Milos (midle of 3rd milenium b.C.). You can see "X" and "N" letters of the Greek Alphabet From the book "WHO THEY WERE" by G. Georgalas, TOTE publications SAMPLES OF THE HELLENIC LANGUAGE AT HAWAII ISLANDS Heidenburg University published in 1987 the German researcher's N. Josephson book entitled 'GREEK LINGUISTIC ELEMENTS IN THE POLYNESIAN LANGUAGES - GREEK PACIFIC' in which exist comparative catalogues between 808 Hellenic words and their corresponding Polynesian ones. This linguistic influence at the Pacific Ocean islands was provoked, according to Josephson, around 950 B.C. by Greek colonists.... It is up to us to remember our ancestors, be it Aussie Greeks, American Greeks etc; to multicultural mixed Marriages doesn't matter as long as we carry the Hellenic spirit from either Parent. A collection of mine collected from many, many years of surfing the net... |
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| GR Elite  | Re: Why I am proud and humbled to be a Hellenic… Thank you for the post. It is humbling and it is up to us and others like us to not let the neo-revisionists denigrate our culture any more. Good on Prokomenos and his brothers on other forums who are carrying the fight to these liars. |
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Of course after he published this book Passas received contept and ignorance from the official Greek scientific community. He lost much of his reputation before he died. The last 10 years they are dozens of books about this subject. Some are based on Passas' theories and are trying to prove them while others are adding more theories. Now regarding English speaking books about this subject. The only ones I heard of are a few books written by an American woman called Henriette Mertz. She wrote them the same season with Passas (they knew each other) and she is trying to prove too that pre-historic civilizations were much more advanced than what we believe and had the know how to travel overseas. I'll come back with more if I have something interesting. | |
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http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...y/AMERIKH.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...n_Amerikh.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel..._sto_Peru.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...20AMERIKH.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...ry/Xartes.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...i_Ainigma.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel.../Odysseas.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...Odysseas2.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...Odysseas3.html http://www.ancientgr.com/Unknown_Hel...υ%20Αμαζονίου; http://www.globalusers.com/america.php http://www.globalusers.com/metadosipolitismou.php http://www.betsis.net/ancienthellas/...ioixartes.html And a small but very interesting text (I don't remember where it is from): << Μόλις περάσεις με το καράβι σου τον βαθύ Ωκεανό και φτάσεις στην άγρια ακτή και τα δάση της Περσεφόνης,με τις ψηλές λεύκες και τις άκαρπες ιτιές,εκεί να αφήσεις το καράβι σου στου βαθύ Ωκεανού την άκρη...>>. ( Οδύσσεια Κ΄505-516 ). Πολλά έχουν γραφτεί για την Οδύσσεια και την Ιλιάδα του Ομήρου.Κάποιοι υποστήριζαν οτι ηταν προϊόντα μυθολογίας ενός ευφάνταστου ποιητή και τίποτε άλλο. Η αρχαιολογική σκαπάνη του Σλήμαν τους διέψευσε πανηγυρικά. Τα έπη του Ομήρου δεν είναι απλά μια συρραφή μύθων αλλά πραγματικά ιστορικά γεγονότα επικαλυμμένα με ποιητικά - μυθολογικά στοιχεία. Η κλασσική άποψη θέλει την Οδύσσεια να λαμβάνει χώρα εντός της Μεσογείου. Όμως οι σαφείς αναφορές τόσο του Πλάτωνος στον "Τιμαίο-Κριτία" και του Ομήρου για έξοδο των πλοίων των Ελλήνων απο τις Ηράκλειες Στήλες (Στενά Γιρβλατάρ) στον Ωκεανό (Ατλαντικό) όσο και νεότερες έρευνες Ελλήνων και ξένων συγγραφέων - ερευνητών σε συνδιασμό με αρχαιολογικές ανασκαφές και γλωσσολογικές ομοιότητες, οδηγούν σε ένα εκπληκτικό συμπέρασμα : << Η Αμερικανική Ήπειρος ηταν γνωστή απo τα αρχαία χρόνια, είχε ανακαλυφθεί απο τους Ελληνες οι οποίοι την είχαν επισκεφθεί αρκετές φορές>>. Αναφέρουμε την εκστρατεία του Ηρακλή στον Κήπο των Εσπερίδων (ταυτίζεται με την Αμερική), του Περσέα καθώς και το ταξίδι των Αργοναυτών που διασχίζοντας τον Αμαζόνιο έφτασαν μέχρι την λίμνη Τιτικάκα. Οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες οχι μόνο ανακάλυψαν την Αμερική εκατοντάδες χρόνια πριν τον Κολόμβο αλλά είναι σίγουρη πλέον η συνάντηση τους με τους Ίνκας, Μάγιας, Αζτέκους, πάνω στους οποίους ,επέδρασαν πολιτιστικά. Ξένοι ερευνητές όπως η Αμερικανίδα δικηγόρος-αρχαιολόγος Henriette Mertz υποστηρίζουν οτι με την τότε ναυπηγική αλλά και με την βοήθεια του Γκόλφ-Στρήμ ( Ρεύμα του Ατλαντικού ) ήταν εφικτά τα ταξίδια των Ελλήνων από την Μεσόγειο στην απέναντι ήπειρο.Ακόμη οι φυλές των Ίνκας,Μάγιας αλλά και οι Πολυνήσιοι ανάγουν την γεννεαλογία τους και τον πολιτισμό τους στους <<Λευκούς Θεούς>>που ήρθαν από την θάλασσα! Ο Βιρακότσα,ο λευκός γενειοφόρος θεός τους μας παραπέμπει στον Περσέα. Πολλές φορές απεικονίζονται αγάλματα κρατώντας ένα ρόπαλο,θυμίζοντας μας έτσι και την επίσκεψη του θρυλικού Ηρακλή. Εκτός από τον Οδυσσέα,οι Αργοναύτες διέσχισαν τον Αμαζόνιο και τους παραποτάμους του φτάνοντας μέχρι τις Άνδεις και το Μαντείο του Τσαβίν στο Περού.Μάλιστα έχουν ανακαλυφθεί επιγραφές σε βράχους με Ελληνική Γραμμική Γραφή!Από το Γιάρμουθ της νέας Σκωτίας,στην πέτρα Γκρέηβ-Κρηκ της Δυτικής Βιρτζίνια,στο Μπάτ-Κρήκ του Τενεσσή,στο Νιούσμπερι του Μίτσιγκαν καθώς επίσης και στην περιοχή Μανάος(εκ του Μϊνωα) στον Αμαζόνιο. Στον ποταμό αυτό βρέθηκαν και πυθάρια μινωικής προελεύσεως.(Βλ.H.Mertz "Οίνωψ Πόντος",Ι.Πασσά "Η Αληθινή Προιστορία").Ακόμη ένας άλλος ερευνητής ο E.Matievich υποστηρίζει την ίδια άποψη την οποία στηρίζει σε δύο βασικά άξονες: 1) Την ομοιότητα της βασιλικής γλώσσας των Ίνκας με την αντίστοιχη Μυκηναική και 2) Στις εκπληκτικές ομοιότητες του Μαντείου του Τσαβίν στο Περού με την περιγραφή του παλατιού του αρχαιοελληνικού Άδη από τους Έλληνες συγγραφείς. Πραγματικά βλέποντας κανείς το μαντείο θα παρατηρήσει εικόνες Γοργόνων,Κερβέρων και ένα Λαβύρινθο(μινωικής τεχνοτροπίας). Όλα αυτά στο περίφημο μαντείο των Άνδεων μας υπενθυμίζουν την συνάντηση των Αρχαίων Ελλήνων με τους θρυλικούς Ίνκας και Μάγιας. Ένα άλλο πολύ σημαντικό γεγονός είναι ότι οι τοπικές διάλεκτοί τους περιέχουν αυτούσιες Ελληνικές λέξεις! Το 1987 ο καθηγητής του Πανεπιστημίου της Χαϊδελβέργης Nors.S.Josephson έκανε μια εκπληκτική εργασία με τίτλο: "Greek Linguist Elements in the Polynesian Languages-Hellenicum Pacificum "(=Ελληνικά Γλωσσικά Στοιχεία στις Πολυνησιακές Γλώσσες-Ελληνικός Ειρηνικός). Υποστηρίζει λοιπόν ότι οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες άριστοι θαλασσοπόροι έφτασαν μέχρι τις Άνδεις και πέρασαν στα απέναντι νησιωτικά συμπλέγματα (Νησιά του Πάσχα,Χαβάη,Ταϊτή ). Απόδειξη αυτής της διείσδυσης είναι οι εκατοντάδες (πάνω από 1000) ελληνικές λέξεις που υπάρχουν σε αυτές τις διαλέκτους. Ενδεικτικά αναφέρουμε: ΑρχαίαΕλληνικά:άγχω(=πνίγομαι),αετός,αν,βέλος,αύω( =φωνάζω),βοή γάμος,γεννώ,γένος,χθών(=γή),γυνή,δήμος,δοκός,θεός, ήρως,θιγγάνω(=αγγίζω). ΝησιάτουΠάσχα:ανγκού(=πνίγομαι),αέτο,ανά(=αλλά),βέ ρο(=βέλος),άου(=ουρλιάζω),μποού(=φωνάζω),χάμοα(=αρ ραβών),χανάου(=γεννιέμαι),κένου(=σύζυγος),χένουα(= χώρα),χινέ(=γυναίκα),τάμα(=ομάδα),τόκο(=ξύλο),τάνε (=θεός),χίρο(=ήρως),τινγκάϊ(=χτυπώ). Ακόμη Αρχαία Ελληνικά: αήρ,Απόλλων(=θεός του Ήλιου),νέκυς(=θάνατος),πύργος,ρήμα. Κετσούα Ίνκας: waira,Apulu ή Apolo,naka,pirka,rima.ΤέλοςΑρχαίαΕλληνικά:αετός,νο ύς,μανθάνω,μελωδία,λαός,ικάνω(=φτάνω),ναίω(=κατοικ ώ).Χαβάη:αέτο,νού(=σκέψη),μανάω(=σκέφτομαι),μέλε(= τραγούδι),λαούη(=λαός),ίκι(=έρχομαι),νόκο(=ζώ). Ο Charles Berlitz στο βιβλίο του "Μυστήρια από ξεχασμένους Κόσμους" αναφέρει ότι: <<η φλογέρα του Πανός που έπαιζε ο θεός Πάν και οι βοσκοί της αρχαίας Ελλάδας,ανακαλύφθηκε σε πανομοιότυπη κατασκευή σε νησιά στον Ειρηνικό και στα υψίπεδα των Άνδεων όπου οι βοσκοί ακόμα παίζουν τέτοιες φλογέρες όταν φυλάνε λάμας και πρόβατα >>. Επιπλέον κάνει ορισμένες ετυμολογίες λέξεων όπως: Θάλλακ<θάλασσα, ο θεός των υδάτων Τλάλοκ, ο θεός της ιατρικής Ίτζαμνα<ίαμα,η θεά Τεούκαρα<θεού+κόρη(=Αθηνά),η θεά της ομορφιάς Τεοκάλλι<θεά+κάλλος(=Αφροδίτη), ονομάζουν τους θεούς τους Τεότλ, το Τεουανάκο <θεός+άναξ(=το ανάκτορο του θεού ή βασιλιά). Οι θεοί των Ινδιάνων ονομάζονται <<ίδολος>>εκ του ελληνικού <<είδωλα>>. Όμοια είναι επίσης και η φράση των Μάγιας: ΚΟΝΕΞ ΟΜΟΝ ΠΑΝΕΞ με την φράση των Ελευσινίων Μυστηρίων: ΚΟΝ ΟΜ ΠΑΝΞ(=Άκουε ,Βλέπε,Σώπα). Ακόμη αναφέρει ότι η ομοιότητα ανάμεσα στην γλώσσα των Ινδιάνων του Μεξικού με τα Αρχαία Ελληνικά έκανε τον Αλεξάντερ φον Χούμπολτ,έναν από τους πρώτους μελετητές των Αζτέκων να αναφωνήσει:<<Μα αυτά είναι καθαρά Ελληνικά>>! Μάλιστα όταν οι Ισπανοί κονκισταδόρ πρωτοήλθαν σε επαφή με τους Ινδιάνους,τους μιλούσαν στην αρχή στα λατινικά όμως αργότερα στα Ελληνικά,γιατί διαπίστωσαν ότι οι λέξεις των Μάγιας έμοιαζαν περισσότερο με τις ελληνικές! Οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες λοιπόν έφτασαν στην Αμερική αναμείχθηκαν με τους ντόπιους πληθυσμούς και τους επιρρέασαν πολιτιστικά.Υπάρχουν βασιλικά ανάκτορα των Ίνκας και των Μάγιας διακοσμημένα εξωτερικά με τον Ελληνικό Μαίανδρο. Σε πολλές Ινδιάνικες μη εκφυλισμένες φυλές συναντάμε λευκούς άντρες και γυναίκες με γαλάζια μάτια και πυρόξανθα μαλλιά και που με κανένα τρόπο δεν συνδέονται με το ντόπιο στοιχείο. Κι αυτό γιατί είναι απόγονοι του Οδυσσέα,του Περσέα,του Ηρακλή και των Αργοναυτών.Οι μη εκφυλισμένοι Τολτέκοι είχαν λεπτα χαρακτηριστικά,χαλκόλευκη επιδερμίδα,γαλάζια μάτια και πιθανότατα πυρόξανθα μαλλιά. Οι Καρίμπ ήταν λευκοί ή χαλκόλευκοι και περηφανεύονταν για την καταγωγή τους από τους <<Λευκούς Ανθρώπους>>. Οι Μολόπακοι μια άσπρη πολιτισμένη φυλή που κατοικούσαν στο Μίνας(εκ του Μίνωα) Ζηράϊζ τον 17ο αιώνα ήταν ανοιχτόχρωμοι και γενειοφόροι. Είχαν λεπτούς και εξευγενισμένους τρόπους και οι γυναίκες τους περιγράφονται λευκές σαν Αγγλίδες,με χρυσαφένια μαλλιά,λεπτά χαρακτηριστικά,μικρά χέρια και γαλάζια μάτια. Η πρωτεύουσα του Τολτεκικού πολιτισμού στον νότο η Τιαχουανάκο λέγεται από τους Περουβιανούς ότι χτίστηκε λευκούς γενειοφόρους ανθρώπους πολύ πριν την εποχή των Ίνκας.(Βλ.Πέρσυ Χάρισσον Φώσεττ:"Εξερευνήσεις"). Τέλος σήμερα ακόμη οι Αραουκάνοι της Χιλής υποστηρίζουν ότι είναι απόγονοι Αρχαίων Σπαρτιατών που έφτασαν στις ακτές της Νότιας Αμερικής! Είναι λευκοί και αριθμούν 360000 μέλη. Οι Αρχαίοι Έλληνες ανακάλυψαν την Αμερική πολύ πριν τον Κολόμβο και υπάρχουν πάρα πολλές αποδείξεις.....Σκοπός αυτού του άρθρου είναι η αποκατάσταση μιας λησμονιμένης ιστορικής πραγματικότητας που κάποιοι σκόπιμα παραποίησαν προς εξυπηρέτηση των Άλλων...... | |
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